Hello,
I came home today to program the locomotive address on an Athearn Genesis SD70Ace NS Heritage Unit #1068. I wanted to change the address from "03" to "1068."I did it like I thought I remembered from last time I changed an address, but in the middle of it I must have done something wrong. "1068" popped up after I thought I had programmed it. Now, the engine will start up when placed on the layout, but it won't respond to "03" or "1068." I have no clue of what I should do. It's almost like the address got lost. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you in advance.Nate
natescarbary Hello, I came home today to program the locomotive address on an Athearn Genesis SD70Ace NS Heritage Unit #1068. I wanted to change the address from "03" to "1068."I did it like I thought I remembered from last time I changed an address, but in the middle of it I must have done something wrong. "1068" popped up after I thought I had programmed it. Now, the engine will start up when placed on the layout, but it won't respond to "03" or "1068." I have no clue of what I should do. It's almost like the address got lost. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you in advance.Nate
All Soundtraxx decoders can be reset by either setting CV 30 to a value of 2 or CV 8 to a value of 8
Rich
Alton Junction
I'm not even sure what address to reset, as far as what address the engine is under. Would there be any way to reset it without knowing the address that it is under?
On the program track, it does not matter what address it is, the reset will apply. It will be address 3 after the reset.
It may be that CV29 never got set properly. Before resetting, you could try setting CV29 to 38 and then see if it runs on 1068, or set CV29 to 6 and see if it runs on 3. If neither works, just reset it and try again.
--Randy
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Nate:
You can do a reset by setting the DCC system to address 00 and then setting CV 8 to 8. Just make sure that no other locos are on the track or they will all be reset. Did you check CV 29 after you did your programming? It may need to be set to accept the 4 digit address.
Edit: It looks like Randy has this covered as usual
Joe
Rich and Randy,
Thank You so much for your help. By resetting on the program track, it is back to address 3. Now, I'll try to do it right this time. I appreciate the help. I guess that it is true that you learn something new everyday, seeing how I didn't know that it didn't matter what the address was, just that it could be reset under any address. You guys sure were a big help to me.
Thanks again,
Nate
Nate, when you reset to factory default, the decoder resets to the short address 3.
From there, you need to reprogram the long address.
The Tsunami is a finicky decoder. You probably did not do anything wrong. With a Tsunami, it just happens.
Now that you have your decoder rest to factory original, set CV29 to 38, then set CV17 to 196 and CV18 to 44. Your engine should then respond to address 1068.
If you don't want your engine to respond to DC, set CV29 to 34 instead.
Mark.
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davidmbedardNO NO NO NO! Please do NOT offer advice if you don't know what you are doing! Set CV 17 and 18 FIRST.....not CV29!
Where did you get that from ? If you are in program mode, it doesn't make any difference which you set first .... at least that's been my experience - and I do DCC installs for a living. CV29 is always the first thing I set followed by address, then lighting configurations.
Seriously, what has happened to you that you make that statement ?
Ops mode, it matters. Set CV29 first in Ops mode, your loco will have some random long address and it's back to reset again.
On the program track, not going to matter which you set first.
Some times with a Soundtraxx you have to set a short address first IE 10. Then change that to a 4 digit address IE 1068. Ive had todo this to several of mine. Joe
When setting CV 17 and CV 18, some systems just let you key in the desired long address, and CV 17 and CV 18 will be programmed automatically as a result.
What I am trying to say is that you don't necessarily have to physically add values to CV17 and CV18.
Wow. I honestly did not know setting a long address could be so contrary a subject, or so convoluted for some system users. I used to wonder if everybody else's system was as clunky as my Digitrax Super Empire Builder when programming in a long address, but I have come to appreciate all the system does for me. As Randy and other users know, the Digitrax DT4XX series of throttles promp the user to change CV29 automatically via a displayed "Y" or "N". Naturally, knowing I must enable that long address, I press the Y button, at which the locomotive shudders a second time, and then the track power gets shut off. Also an important step. I must reactivate track power with a button push, and the locomotive stays silent. It won't respond to Add "03". When I enter the long address and press the encoder/speed knob, and with BLI Paragons enter the first speed step, they come alive.
I always set the long address in programming mode, a broadcast mode, but on a separate track. Then, I switch to Ops if I have not done the prompt Y/N input, and enter CV29. I enter a value of "34", exit, and the locomotive is ready to be commanded with its long address.
-Crandell
FOr those 'stubborn' decoders, Ops mode often works where the program track does now (DB150 is a little differnet, it's full power when in 'program track' mode just like ops mode, which is why a DB150 can program anything, without ever needing a boosters)
Very few if any decoders allow changing the long address when it's already set to a long address, it's usually a two step process, first set a short address, then call up the loco by that short address, then change CV17, 18, and 29 to set a new long address. Or if you want to cvhange the short address in ops mode - on many you cannot just write to CV1, you have to first anable a long address, call up the loco on the long address, then program CV1 and 29 to set the new short address.
Usually all that's wrong if you set the address using the system's built in methods, and then you cannot access it on either the new address you think you set it to, nor by the old short address, or default 3, is that CV29 didn't get set. It could be either CV17 or 18 as well. That's why I suggested just setting CV29 to a value that would use the long address, and see if it works - if not, CV17 or CV18 is still messed up, so try CV29 with a value to use the short address, and it should respond on address 3 again. If that also fails, then reset the decoder.
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Seriously, I have found I have a lot less problems sticking to 2 digit addresses. The first two, or the last two of the loco number.
davidmbedard Mark R. davidmbedard NO NO NO NO! Please do NOT offer advice if you don't know what you are doing! Set CV 17 and 18 FIRST.....not CV29! Where did you get that from ? If you are in program mode, it doesn't make any difference which you set first .... at least that's been my experience - and I do DCC installs for a living. CV29 is always the first thing I set followed by address, then lighting configurations. Seriously, what has happened to you that you make that statement ? Mark. Mark, you need to more CLEAR when you are debunking. Which "program" mode are you talking about? Page? Ops? It DOES matter the order you program depending on the "programming" mode you are in. What has happened to me? Personally? Seriously? Are you serious? You cant be talking to me, are you? Seriously? Oh my..........? Im scared....... Please dont hurt me with your words, I dont know if I can continue on....... Personal attacks will get you nothing but a lack of respect....sorry. David B
Mark R. davidmbedard NO NO NO NO! Please do NOT offer advice if you don't know what you are doing! Set CV 17 and 18 FIRST.....not CV29! Where did you get that from ? If you are in program mode, it doesn't make any difference which you set first .... at least that's been my experience - and I do DCC installs for a living. CV29 is always the first thing I set followed by address, then lighting configurations. Seriously, what has happened to you that you make that statement ? Mark.
davidmbedard NO NO NO NO! Please do NOT offer advice if you don't know what you are doing! Set CV 17 and 18 FIRST.....not CV29!
Mark, you need to more CLEAR when you are debunking. Which "program" mode are you talking about? Page? Ops? It DOES matter the order you program depending on the "programming" mode you are in.
What has happened to me? Personally? Seriously? Are you serious? You cant be talking to me, are you? Seriously? Oh my..........? Im scared....... Please dont hurt me with your words, I dont know if I can continue on....... Personal attacks will get you nothing but a lack of respect....sorry.
David B
Wow .... I MEANT - what happened to your DECODER (not you personally) when you set CV29 first ?
The OP was doing his prigramming on the programming track, so that was my basis - it doesn't matter what order you program CV's on the programming track.
I do all my programming on a programming track with an ESU EcoS command station. That being said, I switched the track leads to make my programming track a main track, and using POM, successfully programmed a four digit address into a TCS decoder, a Tsunami and a Loksound setting CV29 first !
Maybe different systems handle it differently ? I've only had Lenz and ESU systems, so I couldn't say.
Sorry for not being more eleborate at the time ....
rrinker Ops mode, it matters. Set CV29 first in Ops mode, your loco will have some random long address and it's back to reset again. On the program track, not going to matter which you set first. --Randy
Ok, you set CV29 first and it gives it a random number .... you are going straight to CV17 and CV18 after setting CV29 and setting the proper numbers anyway aren't you ? I can see if you just set CV29 and then try to read the address, but there would be no point in doing that anyway.
Guess maybe if I could replicate this so-called problem, I might see what you are talking about. I still prefer to set CV17 and CV18 manually instead of having my system figure them out based on the four digit address I enter.
Well, say you have a fresh out of the box decoder, so it's set to address 3. If you select address 3, it runs, and you cna use POM. If you set CV29, it's SUPPOSED to make the long address active - and thus deactivates the short address. That may not happen on all decoders, but once CV29 is set to something like 34 or 38, it's not supposed to respond to the short address any more, so it should no longer accept packets addressed to address 3.
On the program track, none of this matters, since the programming packets are not addressed, it should never matter what order you do things.
There are systems that do not have dedicated program tracks, thus some think that all programming is "programming ont he main", and there are other systems that give you the option to make the actual track output the 'program track", like using Blast Mode on a Digitraz Zephyr system. That's not Ops Mode programming, that's sending broadcast program packets to the main track outputs - ANY loco sitting on the track would be programmed. True Ops Mode programming is directed to one and only one address, so you can edit a running loco without changing any others on the tracks. This is why I find it odd that a decoder having CV29 changed first would still continue to respond to packets addressed to the now inactive address.
rrinker .... True Ops Mode programming is directed to one and only one address, so you can edit a running loco without changing any others on the tracks. This is why I find it odd that a decoder having CV29 changed first would still continue to respond to packets addressed to the now inactive address. --Randy
.... True Ops Mode programming is directed to one and only one address, so you can edit a running loco without changing any others on the tracks. This is why I find it odd that a decoder having CV29 changed first would still continue to respond to packets addressed to the now inactive address.
This must be a feature of the EcoS that other systems don't utilize. If I set CV29 to 4-digit addressing and don't actually enter a 4-digit address it still responds to address 3 - the default when CV29 is set for 4-digit addressing. When I actually enter the 4-digit address in CV17 and 18, it will then respond to that address.
Perhaps I will refrain from an further answers as my system apparently works different than others and I don't have complete knowledge of every system available ....
Mark R. Perhaps I will refrain from an further answers as my system apparently works different than others and I don't have complete knowledge of every system available ....
I don't think we even know which DCC system the OP is using.
In my own situation, I have an NCE PH-Pro 5 amp wireless system.
However, I must confess, I have lost track of the issue. What exactly is it about CV 17 and CV 18 and CV 29 that we are trying to determine? Maybe somebody can restate the issue and we can test the order of programming these CVs on each DCC system - - - on the Programming track and POM.
He either figured it out, or we scared him away !
When I first got into DCC well over fifteen years ago, I utilized the POM and let my system set the CV's itself based on the four digit address I entered .... and things would constantly get messed up. Whether it was a fault of the system or my own doing, who knows. I distinctly recall inadvertantly reprogramming every engine on the layout to the same address somehow .... that was it. Once I started utilizing only the program track for programming and manually entering the CV's for the four digit address, I never again had any problems as I was certain of the values placed into the required CV's.
Guess I don't have a lot of faith in machines doing what they are supposed to 100% of the time ....
I think the last question of Mark's, as he acknowledges, could have been better crafted, David, but I did understand him as he claims he intended. I can see your incredulity, believe me, but I did take him as he intended. Which, if Mark will permit me, could have been written as: What has happened in your experience with DCC that leads you to make this statement, David?" Or, "Could you provide me with an example of a time when you encountered things to be as you describe?" Or, "Is there a manual of a specific decoder I could look at to try to make sense of what you say, David?" Something where he looks for anecdotal or experiential evidence in a story where it all falls into place, not that he wonders if you were having a really bad hair day.
Having re-read my query, I can see how it could be misconstrued. .... obviously too late at that point ....
richhotrain Mark R. Perhaps I will refrain from an further answers as my system apparently works different than others and I don't have complete knowledge of every system available .... I don't think we even know which DCC system the OP is using. In my own situation, I have an NCE PH-Pro 5 amp wireless system. However, I must confess, I have lost track of the issue. What exactly is it about CV 17 and CV 18 and CV 29 that we are trying to determine? Maybe somebody can restate the issue and we can test the order of programming these CVs on each DCC system - - - on the Programming track and POM. Rich
The issue under debate is order of programming the CVs when setting CV 17, 18, and 29 manually.
On the program track - it should never matter. Any order should work. Since it doesn't matter what address the loco is, when using the program track. If it's on the program track, it gets programmed, period. So you can do CV 18, then CV29, then CV17, doesn't make one bit of difference.
When doing Ops Mode programming - it appears to work, at least for some decoders, that you cna set CV29 before setting CV 17 and 18. I'm just wondering how this works, given that if I set CV29 from 6 to 38, I've now told the decoder to stop using the short address, and Ops Mode programming is sending DCC packets to the selected address, which is the one you just told the decoder to stop using.
Some systems also allow Ops Mode to address 00 - this is not the DC loco on DCC address, DCC address 00 is a broadcast address - so EVERY loco on the track will take the programming, this is pretty much the only way you could accidently program every loco on the rails when using Ops Mode. It's also handy for fixing a loco that won't read, won;t take program track programming, and you have no idea what the address is. Take everything off the rails except the problem child, select address 00, and use Ops Mode to either reset it or force CV3 to 3 and CV29 to 6.
My layout is not accessible at the moment, or I would try out the order of address CV programming and see what happens with Digitrax. It may also depend on the decoder in question. It just was always drilled in to set CV17 and 18 first, then set CV29 to access the new long address. It makes logical sense to do it in that order, don't know that I would even think to try CV 29 first.
The only reason I suggested the order I did originally was that the OP said he was using a programming track and I knew the order of CV programming on a programming track was irrelevant. Had the OP said he was using POM, I probably would have held back as I never had 100% success with POM myself - if something was going to go wrong, that's when it would happen.
Also, I'm using a system that probably nobody on this board is using, and is quite advanced in its abilities compared to some other systems, so my results apparently will differ. What Randy says is no doubt true (and makes sense) and applicable to most of the more popular systems out there.
Lenz systems (which I operate) do not allow address programing on the main. Nor does it allow CVs 17&18 on the main.
Programing on main is very good. I do it a lot but address on main often leads to frustration for one reason or another.
Probably why Lenz doesn't allow it.
Just put loco on program track, enter address, short or long and the system automatticly sets CV29 etc, accordingly.
All done in direct mode.
My Ecos does the same which I think most half decent DCC systems do the same.
IMHO monkeying arround with CVs17&18, or what ever, is old news and just a waste of time.
Cheers
Ian