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Help! Soo Line GP9 with sound won't program!

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Help! Soo Line GP9 with sound won't program!
Posted by SooLine720 on Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:30 PM

Sorry for so many questions...

I have an Athearn Genesis GP9 with tsunami sound and it won't program on my Digitrax zephyr and for some reason, it won't program and the zephyr can read its current address, even though I know it's at 03. I am new to DCC and anything would help.

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Posted by JoeinPA on Friday, December 27, 2013 9:24 AM

You can try "Blast Mode" programming with your Zephyr (is it the original Zephyr or the Zephyr Extra?).

Take all your other engines off the layout and then enter Blast mode and proceed with programming. Blast mode will program everything on the layout so you need to be careful.  Blast mode can be set by changing OPSW 7 to c. Make sure to turn off blast mode when you are done.

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Posted by mlehman on Friday, December 27, 2013 9:38 AM

I'm a Digitrax dummy, but if Joe's suggestion doesn't work, you may need a programming track booster like the Soundtraxx PTB-100. Because of the demands of the sound system, many DCC systems don't have enough oomph to handle programming sound decoders. I know a NCE PowerCab will do it, if you have access to one of those.

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Posted by SooLine720 on Friday, December 27, 2013 9:40 AM

Thank you for the quick replies, i may be able to go to the model railroad club to have it programmed it blast doesn't work. I have the Zephyr Extra.

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Posted by JoeinPA on Friday, December 27, 2013 9:45 AM

Mike:

I ran into several programming problems with the original Zephyr and Tsunami. I was able to get by with blast mode but finally broke down and got a PTB 100 and have been very pleased with it. The Zephyr has some interesting idiosyncacies in programming the long address also even with the booster. It doesn't want to change CV29 and in order to get it to work you need to set that CV manually. This apears to be a timing issue and is reported to not occur when using a DT4xx series throttle to do the programming with the Zephyr. Santa brought me a new Zephyr Extra and I'll be interested to see if it behaves diffently.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, December 27, 2013 12:26 PM

 I only ever had one Tsunami, and it programmed fine on the program track of my old Zephyr - HOWEVER, I do use a DT400 throttle, not the Zephyr console. When I first got the Zephyr and that's all I had, I had no problems programming motor only decoders from the console. By the time I got sound decoders, I had the DT400 and never had a problem with any of them, the first were QSI which are also supposed to be stubborn.

 Make sure you have a good solid connection to the program track, I have maybe 18" of #18 speaker wire, soldered to a piece of flex track. Make sure the track is clean, as well as the wheels of the loco.

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Posted by SooLine720 on Friday, December 27, 2013 5:15 PM

How do you install the PTB-1000?

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Posted by JoeinPA on Friday, December 27, 2013 6:10 PM

Here are the instructions as found on the Soundtraxx site:

http://www.soundtraxx.com/access/PTB-100%20Instructions.pdf

It's a simple install. I got mine from Litchfield Station. They also can supply the power supply needed for the PTB 100.

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Posted by trmimo on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 12:53 PM

Got the SOO GP9 for my husband for Christmas. I do the scenery and he does the programming so I am not able to help here but he uses JMRI and he cannot get the address to change. He can get it to accept some commands but very few and mostly only things that he didn't mean to do. Usually he runs Protos so these are a different animal altogether. He has digitrax, Zepher, tsunami, if any of that helps. Could anyone give me any ideas on helping him get his locomotive address changed for easier programming.

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Posted by Lee 1234 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:07 PM

You need to program on the main to change any CVs with Digitrax and Tsunami.   Change the engine number in Blast Mode.  All the other CVs can be changed programming on the main.   

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Posted by PennCentral99 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 5:43 PM

SooLine720

Sorry for so many questions...

I have an Athearn Genesis GP9 with tsunami sound and it won't program on my Digitrax zephyr and for some reason, it won't program and the zephyr can read its current address, even though I know it's at 03. I am new to DCC and anything would help.

 

Can you be more specific? You can't program any CV's or just the address? I have a Zephyr Xtra and only have issues with programming the extended address, I don't have any problems programming any other CV's.

JoeinPA

Mike:

I ran into several programming problems with the original Zephyr and Tsunami. I was able to get by with blast mode but finally broke down and got a PTB 100 and have been very pleased with it. The Zephyr has some interesting idiosyncacies in programming the long address also even with the booster. It doesn't want to change CV29 and in order to get it to work you need to set that CV manually. This apears to be a timing issue and is reported to not occur when using a DT4xx series throttle to do the programming with the Zephyr. Santa brought me a new Zephyr Extra and I'll be interested to see if it behaves diffently.

Joe

 

Therefore, the very first thing we should do is take control of the decoder and go change CV 29. By programming CV 29 = 50, we enable speed tables, set speed steps to 28/128, extended address, disable analog and forward is normal. Not only ensuring that the "extended address" is programmed, we can also eliminate any issues with runaway locos by disabling the analog mode when a short occurs and then is restored.

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Posted by SooLine720 on Friday, January 3, 2014 11:24 AM

PennCentral99
Can you be more specific? You can't program any CV's or just the address? I have a Zephyr Xtra and only have issues with programming the extended address, I don't have any problems programming any other CV's.

I can't program the address or CV's. I'll try programming the CV for the horn on the main. To do that, do you just set the program mode to OPS?

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Posted by SooLine720 on Friday, January 3, 2014 11:27 AM

Lee 1234
You need to program on the main to change any CVs with Digitrax and Tsunami. Change the engine number in Blast Mode. All the other CVs can be changed programming on the main.

How do I enter Blast mode, can someone provide step by step instructions? I'm new to DCC so I don't know too much about it.

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Posted by JoeinPA on Friday, January 3, 2014 11:43 AM

To set Blast mode you need to change OPSW 7 to "c". Changing OPSWs is covered in your manual on page 41. Just make sure that you change out of Blast mode when you are finished programming.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, January 3, 2014 12:38 PM

 And have no other locos on the tracks when programming using blast mode.

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