I use much finer wire for lights and signals, but I only use LEDs for lighting and signals. Tungsten requires more amperage by several orders of magnitude (whatever that means) than LEDs.
For signal applications, I use wire salvaged from parallel printer cables. The older ones had 25 conductors, the newer specification has 25 pair of very fine wires. These work perfectly for signals especially since the are visible (yet to be painted) on the finished project.
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I don't believe my "lecture" was unfounded.
As I stated, cat5 wire will handle any voltage a model railroader can throw at it. The concern is how much current you are planning on pushing through it. I use it myself on my complete CTC based signalling system as well as over a thousand LED structure lights. But even at the 24 volts for the signalling system and the 12 volts for structure lighting, the current rating is well withing the limits of that fine wire.
It's not a matter of mind reading. It's knowledge that should be know before you mistakenly try to feed five amps of power to fifty bulbs at the end of it .... that is the unknown about what the OP is planning to do. The current load at the end of that wire needs to be known in order to determine if it's adequate - not the voltage you are applying to it.
If a friend of mine asked the same base opening question and all I said was "50 volts" not having a clue what he was using for, I'd feel pretty bad about not "lecturing" on the current values as well when I find he was attempting to use it as a track buss and melted a bunch of wires !
Mark.
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"The OP's question should be - how much CURRENT will cat5 withstand."
Now we have mind readers on the forum! How cool is that?
Why are we trying guess what he wants to use the wire for?
Why are some lecturing on questions not asked?
As I stated before, I use cat 5 cable all over my layout. It is the backbone of my relay based Advanced Cab Control System with fully intergrated signals and interlocking. AGAIN, I use it for low current 24 volt control circuits, for stall switch motors and for sginals.
Oh, I forgot, most of you don't bother with signals so the only wiring you have is your DCC buss.
Maybe this guy just wants to use it for structure lighting or switch machines, or signals - WE DON"T KNOW.
Even if the insulation is rated higher, I said 50 volts because it is a common threshold seperating communication wiring from power wiring - the cable in question is communications cable.
Sheldon
Actually I was thinking of using it for building lights and signals.
As a practical answer, how about we just say that Cat 5 can be used for Tortoise switch machine wiring (Not twin coil switch machine types) and LED lighting? You shouldn't use Cat 5 for anything else or you will most likely have problems.
Elmer.
The above is my opinion, from an active and experienced Model Railroader in N scale and HO since 1961.
(Modeling Freelance, Eastern US, HO scale, in 1962, with NCE DCC for locomotive control and a stand alone LocoNet for block detection and signals.) http://waynes-trains.com/ at home, and N scale at the Club.
The issue is amps not volts. For a power bus, a big fat wire is needed. LION puts 11 volts on his tracks, but has a huge 15 amp regulated power supply. 12 locomotives (8 train sets) all starting and stopping independently of each other. 14 ga wire is the minimum useful size. LION uses 18 ga feeders, but that is only because him has lotsa surplus 18 ga wire. Your cat-5 could serve as feeders, but LION uses that for Tortoise machines, signals and power relays.
LIONS are cheap... But do not go cheap on the wire, you need what you need even if something else is free. LION is also network administrator, buys cat-5e and cat-6 in 1000' spools, but is not useful for railroad.
If you have a big layout and need lots of switch motors and signals and stuff, try to get 25 pair or even 50 pair of cat-3 (telephone) cable. Commercial telephone installers will have short lengths that they cannot use, but are just right for the railroad. You can make a deal with them.
I hope our egos don't run the OP away--LOL.
Richard
In order to provide a truly meaningful answer there are many factors about a piece of wire that must be taken into account.
The Handbook of Electronic Tables and Formulas has an extensive chart for copper wire that includes eight variables that can affect capacity.
To merely say that a Cat 5 cable can handle 90 Volts max is only true at a very low Amperage and short length.
This is a big problem on the forums. Insufficient information supplied by the OP leads to great difficulty in answering the question without providing a dissertation.
The same is true not only for electrical questions, but scale-related questions, track diagrams, whatever. Insufficient information leads to incomplete answers.
Anyhow, back to the OP's question, what is the max voltage that Cat 5 wire can handle safely.........and in which situation?
Bus wire, feeder wire, other purposes? DC versus DCC?
Rich
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modelmaker51 That's only half the story! Amperage also matters. It shouldn't be used for a DCC Buss as in the case of a short you could draw anywhere from 2.5 Amps to 5 or 10 depending on what your power supply is rated at, these amperages (current) could melt the cat 5.
That's only half the story! Amperage also matters. It shouldn't be used for a DCC Buss as in the case of a short you could draw anywhere from 2.5 Amps to 5 or 10 depending on what your power supply is rated at, these amperages (current) could melt the cat 5.
Jay, respectfully, why would you assume he is planning to use it as a DCC buss? I would not even use it as a DC feeder drop, but the OP did not ask that question. He gave us no indication of what he wants to do - otherwise I would have offered more info as well.
I considered some long dissertation about ampacity as well - and then thought better of it.
Not every electrical question is about DCC.
Jay
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50 volts - way above any voltages we use in model trains. I use it all over my layout for 24 volt relay control wiring.
So what is the max voltage a piece of Cat 5 wire can handle safely?