So did we scare the OP away?
Joe
rrinker I guess there will alwyas be peopel who just don;t get it no matter how may picture you draw, or won;t be able to extrapolate the simple forms to larger layouts. The Atlas books, I don;t know how you could get any simpler than that - for the simple layout they show EVERY wire and where it connects, and then as they get more complicated they leave out some and say everythign in the middle connects just like the rest. Then when the plan gets complicated again - say by adding a reverse loop, they drop back t the every wire shown method because there's a new concept. People always try to make this harder than it needs to be, because f some wierd thought that if it's wiring, it HAS to be complicated. There's not much to understand, really. There are 2 rails. Each must be connected to one side of the power source, consistently over the entire layout. Done. Doesn;t matter if it's DC, AC, DCC, or ThingamabobC. If ever the two wires should touch, it's a short. Cut off the link, either with a switch or a broken wire or a broken track connection, locomotive stops. That's really it. What goes on inside a power pack to make the variable voltage that appears on the terminals labeled "To Track" is unimportant. Doesn;t matter unless you're a techie. What the DCC command station does, and how the decoder reacts to the commands - also unimportant unless you're a techie. Whatever the system, the power needs to get from two terminals on the source to the two tracks and through the loco wheels to the motor with no short cuts (short circuit) or breaks in the path. All the techincal terms can come later. Doesn;t matter if it's a 4x8 or a 40x80, concepts don;t change. The 40x80 is just more of it. --Randy
I guess there will alwyas be peopel who just don;t get it no matter how may picture you draw, or won;t be able to extrapolate the simple forms to larger layouts. The Atlas books, I don;t know how you could get any simpler than that - for the simple layout they show EVERY wire and where it connects, and then as they get more complicated they leave out some and say everythign in the middle connects just like the rest. Then when the plan gets complicated again - say by adding a reverse loop, they drop back t the every wire shown method because there's a new concept.
People always try to make this harder than it needs to be, because f some wierd thought that if it's wiring, it HAS to be complicated. There's not much to understand, really. There are 2 rails. Each must be connected to one side of the power source, consistently over the entire layout. Done. Doesn;t matter if it's DC, AC, DCC, or ThingamabobC. If ever the two wires should touch, it's a short. Cut off the link, either with a switch or a broken wire or a broken track connection, locomotive stops.
That's really it. What goes on inside a power pack to make the variable voltage that appears on the terminals labeled "To Track" is unimportant. Doesn;t matter unless you're a techie. What the DCC command station does, and how the decoder reacts to the commands - also unimportant unless you're a techie. Whatever the system, the power needs to get from two terminals on the source to the two tracks and through the loco wheels to the motor with no short cuts (short circuit) or breaks in the path. All the techincal terms can come later. Doesn;t matter if it's a 4x8 or a 40x80, concepts don;t change. The 40x80 is just more of it.
--Randy
Randy, I couldn't have said it better myself.
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rrinker The Atlas books have some basic wiring for smaller layout, and Kalmbach has a book or two on DC wiring.
The Atlas books have some basic wiring for smaller layout, and Kalmbach has a book or two on DC wiring.
I have yet to run across a MRRing wiring book that doesn't at some point leave the novice standing in the lurch; with his mouth agape and scratching his head.
I've found that authors generally don't do a very good job of explaining things in understandable blocks of thought. Even worse, they may start out well but - at some point - jump from Lesson 2 to Lesson 6 - "assuming" you understand or can fill-in the important building blocks in-between that they neglected to explain.
Whether you're a teacher or a speaker, one thing is imperative: You HAVE to know your audience. If you write a "basic" book on anything, do your best to put yourself in the reader's shoes so that you don't go racing ahead and lose your audience. It may take a little patience and a few more pages of explanation but...you won't be wasting your breathe or the money and time of the reader because that aren't on the same page as you.
Okay, I've said my peace...
Tom
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The forum doesn;t liek IE9 in native mode. Figures, everyone yells at Microsoft for going beyond HTML standards, so they start adhering more to standards and stuff doesn;t work so people yell at Microsoft. Compatibility mode makes IE9 behave more like IE7 and then everything is fine here.
rrinker He said DC, not DCC. The Atlas books have some basic wiring for smaller layout, and Kalmbach has a book or two on DC wiring. --Randy
He said DC, not DCC.
Yeah, just saw that. I am so into DCC I sometimes launch right into it. Well he will have possible info for maybe future DCC.
I would delete the post but The Powers To Be do not allow that anymore.
Maybe the below link will give him some info until he gets a book. He will most probably find a couple links with usefull info about DC layouts.
http://tinyurl.com/7b58ro6
Rich
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rrinker Click the little torn page icon in the address bar to enable compatibility mode for this site, then your posts will go through. --Randy
Click the little torn page icon in the address bar to enable compatibility mode for this site, then your posts will go through.
Good to know. All I see is an Icon for subscribe and one for Bookmark, probably since I use a Firefox Browser.
It seems to be a IE/Trains.com issue as I have not heard of this anywhere else.
http://www.wiringfordcc.com/intro2dcc.htm#a25
This should give you lot of info on many aspects of DCC wiring and then some. Store the link in Favorites.
Now someone will have to tell you how to post a message. I never have the problem and do not remember what the solution is.