rrinker The MRC booster takes track level inputs, not a comand signal like Digitrax or NCE. The plus of this is that it can be used with any DCC system, not just MRC. So it's wried correctly. The problem is inrush current from all those sound locos trying to start up at once. Not much you can do about it other than perhaps isolate the tracks in the engine terminal so you can turn them on one at a time rather than fire up a dozen locos at once. If the whole layout operates fine on just the 3.5 amps of the base system, the booster was probably not necessary. If the fan comes on it's not a problem, or shouldn't be. But if the fan comes on and then after a while with the fan on the system shuts down, then it is overloaded and the booster is needed. --Randy
The MRC booster takes track level inputs, not a comand signal like Digitrax or NCE. The plus of this is that it can be used with any DCC system, not just MRC. So it's wried correctly.
The problem is inrush current from all those sound locos trying to start up at once. Not much you can do about it other than perhaps isolate the tracks in the engine terminal so you can turn them on one at a time rather than fire up a dozen locos at once.
If the whole layout operates fine on just the 3.5 amps of the base system, the booster was probably not necessary. If the fan comes on it's not a problem, or shouldn't be. But if the fan comes on and then after a while with the fan on the system shuts down, then it is overloaded and the booster is needed.
--Randy
Well Randy you hit the nail on the head again. Here is what MRC said.
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Truck I have the MRC Prod. Adv. 2 SQ. DCC system. It is a 3.5 amp system. A couple months ago I bought the MRC power station 8 booster. I have a lot of sound locos on the layout, and the Prod. Adv. manual recomended a booster if the fan in the controller was comming on. at foirst all worked great with the booster. Thanks, Truck.
I have the MRC Prod. Adv. 2 SQ. DCC system. It is a 3.5 amp system. A couple months ago I bought the MRC power station 8 booster. I have a lot of sound locos on the layout, and the Prod. Adv. manual recomended a booster if the fan in the controller was comming on. at foirst all worked great with the booster.
Thanks, Truck.
Even though I am a Digitrax and NCE owner, I follow this thread with interest. What strike me, is the OP mentioned the booster did work OK for a few months, therefore I wonder if the wiring of the booster is at cause here.
A fault in the booster is more likely, MRC should have the answer.
Jack W.
cacole It's impossible to tell from your photograph, but having the Prodigy Advanced 2 track output connected to the same track section as the output of the booster is NOT right -- if you have them connected this way you need to go back and rewire the layout.. The only connection between the Prodigy and booster should be the command signal through the telephone type wire.
It's impossible to tell from your photograph, but having the Prodigy Advanced 2 track output connected to the same track section as the output of the booster is NOT right -- if you have them connected this way you need to go back and rewire the layout..
The only connection between the Prodigy and booster should be the command signal through the telephone type wire.
I know that is how everyone else's boosters work, including my Digitrax. However The instructions for this particular booster very clearly state that the output of the Command Station be connected to the input of the booster. It seemed wrong to me, too, but that seems to be the way MRC designed it.
Dave
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maxman Truck: And after extencive trouble shooting I figured out why the booster is in overload when I first turn it on. I just have to figure out why it is doing this with Tsunami decoders. if I bypass the booster the command station works fine. even with Tsunami locos on the layout. Here is what is happening, with 2 or more locos with Tsunami,s, and the booster hooked upto the layout the locos with the Tsunami's have a light ticking/buzzing sound coming from them. if I tilt them so one side of the loco looses power and set them back on the track the overload goes away and all is fine. It is not doing it with QSI, Loksound, or MRC sound decoders only with the Tsunami's. And if I bypass the power booster all the Tsunami,s work fine no overload on the Prod. Adv. system by itself. So why are the Tsunami's causing an overload at initial start up with booster? You got me. Truck. Out of curiosity, does the overload light on the booster come on and stay on steady initially, or does it blink on and off? The booster instructions seem to indicate that the internal breaker will trip and then reset itself until the short goes away. To me this means that the light will flash as the breaker trips and resets. If it stays on steady it might mean that there is an internal breaker problem. When you get the booster overload light, do you also get a short indication on the command station? You might also ask MRC what the trip point for the breaker is, and if that is adjustable. One final straw to grasp at...the booster instructions indicate that it is necesssary to check the different power sections for phase diference. I'm wondering if there is a possibility that you also need to check the phasing between the command station and the booster. Did you try swapping the two leads between the command station and the booster? As indicated by others above, I think none of the other DCC systems suggest that one connect the command station track power output leads to the booster input power connections, so in this regard the MRC method seems strange.
Truck: And after extencive trouble shooting I figured out why the booster is in overload when I first turn it on. I just have to figure out why it is doing this with Tsunami decoders. if I bypass the booster the command station works fine. even with Tsunami locos on the layout. Here is what is happening, with 2 or more locos with Tsunami,s, and the booster hooked upto the layout the locos with the Tsunami's have a light ticking/buzzing sound coming from them. if I tilt them so one side of the loco looses power and set them back on the track the overload goes away and all is fine. It is not doing it with QSI, Loksound, or MRC sound decoders only with the Tsunami's. And if I bypass the power booster all the Tsunami,s work fine no overload on the Prod. Adv. system by itself. So why are the Tsunami's causing an overload at initial start up with booster? You got me. Truck. Out of curiosity, does the overload light on the booster come on and stay on steady initially, or does it blink on and off? The booster instructions seem to indicate that the internal breaker will trip and then reset itself until the short goes away. To me this means that the light will flash as the breaker trips and resets. If it stays on steady it might mean that there is an internal breaker problem. When you get the booster overload light, do you also get a short indication on the command station? You might also ask MRC what the trip point for the breaker is, and if that is adjustable. One final straw to grasp at...the booster instructions indicate that it is necesssary to check the different power sections for phase diference. I'm wondering if there is a possibility that you also need to check the phasing between the command station and the booster. Did you try swapping the two leads between the command station and the booster? As indicated by others above, I think none of the other DCC systems suggest that one connect the command station track power output leads to the booster input power connections, so in this regard the MRC method seems strange.
And after extencive trouble shooting I figured out why the booster is in overload when I first turn it on. I just have to figure out why it is doing this with Tsunami decoders. if I bypass the booster the command station works fine. even with Tsunami locos on the layout. Here is what is happening, with 2 or more locos with Tsunami,s, and the booster hooked upto the layout the locos with the Tsunami's have a light ticking/buzzing sound coming from them. if I tilt them so one side of the loco looses power and set them back on the track the overload goes away and all is fine. It is not doing it with QSI, Loksound, or MRC sound decoders only with the Tsunami's. And if I bypass the power booster all the Tsunami,s work fine no overload on the Prod. Adv. system by itself. So why are the Tsunami's causing an overload at initial start up with booster? You got me. Truck.
Here is what is happening, with 2 or more locos with Tsunami,s, and the booster hooked upto the layout the locos with the Tsunami's have a light ticking/buzzing sound coming from them. if I tilt them so one side of the loco looses power and set them back on the track the overload goes away and all is fine.
It is not doing it with QSI, Loksound, or MRC sound decoders only with the Tsunami's. And if I bypass the power booster all the Tsunami,s work fine no overload on the Prod. Adv. system by itself. So why are the Tsunami's causing an overload at initial start up with booster? You got me.
Truck.
Out of curiosity, does the overload light on the booster come on and stay on steady initially, or does it blink on and off? The booster instructions seem to indicate that the internal breaker will trip and then reset itself until the short goes away. To me this means that the light will flash as the breaker trips and resets. If it stays on steady it might mean that there is an internal breaker problem.
When you get the booster overload light, do you also get a short indication on the command station?
You might also ask MRC what the trip point for the breaker is, and if that is adjustable.
One final straw to grasp at...the booster instructions indicate that it is necesssary to check the different power sections for phase diference. I'm wondering if there is a possibility that you also need to check the phasing between the command station and the booster. Did you try swapping the two leads between the command station and the booster?
As indicated by others above, I think none of the other DCC systems suggest that one connect the command station track power output leads to the booster input power connections, so in this regard the MRC method seems strange.
Whwen the booster overl;oad light is on, it is not full bright, it has a mars light type flicker to it.
Yes I reversed the wires nothing changes.
And when the booster is in its overload mode, the command station is not overloading,
I emailed MRC last night with a desciption of this problem, waiting to hear back from them.
maxman I know that you have things connected correctly, but since you didn't show the connections at the back of the command station I'll ask anyway. You do have the booster connected to the correct two terminals on the back of the command station, right? (i.e.: not the program track terminals)
I know that you have things connected correctly, but since you didn't show the connections at the back of the command station I'll ask anyway. You do have the booster connected to the correct two terminals on the back of the command station, right? (i.e.: not the program track terminals)
Yes they are connected to the right terminals.
Truck And after extencive trouble shooting I figured out why the booster is in overload when I first turn it on. I just have to figure out why it is doing this with Tsunami decoders. if I bypass the booster the command station works fine. even with Tsunami locos on the layout. Here is what is happening, with 2 or more locos with Tsunami,s, and the booster hooked upto the layout the locos with the Tsunami's have a light ticking/buzzing sound coming from them. if I tilt them so one side of the loco looses power and set them back on the track the overload goes away and all is fine. It is not doing it with QSI, Loksound, or MRC sound decoders only with the Tsunami's. And if I bypass the power booster all the Tsunami,s work fine no overload on the Prod. Adv. system by itself. So why are the Tsunami's causing an overload at initial start up with booster? You got me. Truck.
JoeinPA The documentation that Maxman referred to seems to indicate that the booster is designed to work with the Command 2000 which was a rather limited system. Is it possible that the circuitry in the Prodigy unit is too advanced to be compatible with the booster? Joe
The documentation that Maxman referred to seems to indicate that the booster is designed to work with the Command 2000 which was a rather limited system. Is it possible that the circuitry in the Prodigy unit is too advanced to be compatible with the booster?
Joe
The instruction manual that comes with the Prod. Adv. 2 recommends the Power Station 8 if a booster is needed for operations.
According to the pic on page three he has it hooked up correctly. But I use a Digitrax system so what do I know.
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Phoebe Vet That is not the way that Digitrax boosters work, so I am afraid I am unable to help you. I have never seen a booster that goes in series between the command station and the track.. I looked up the instructions for your booster but I cannot find an answer to your problem.
That is not the way that Digitrax boosters work, so I am afraid I am unable to help you. I have never seen a booster that goes in series between the command station and the track..
I looked up the instructions for your booster but I cannot find an answer to your problem.
In case the instructions can aid someone in helping with Truck's problem, a link to the instructions is here: http://www.micromark.com/html_pages/instructions/82034i/82034powerstation.htm
In my experience of over 50 years Model RR'ing I've found MRC was the king of DC with their power supplies etc.( and probably still are ) but when DCC came along.................OK, no bashing.
Wadda ya mean I'm old ? Just because I remember gasoline at 9 cents a gallon and those big coal burning steamers.
rockislandnut I also know nothing about your MRC 8 amp power booster but I notice in the pic it is good for N/HO and G scale. Doesn't G scale require more voltage than N/HO? Like is there a selector switch on the Booster to switch from N/HO to G ? If so maybe the extra voltage is screwing something up? Just a suggestion.
I also know nothing about your MRC 8 amp power booster but I notice in the pic it is good for N/HO and G scale. Doesn't G scale require more voltage than N/HO? Like is there a selector switch on the Booster to switch from N/HO to G ?
If so maybe the extra voltage is screwing something up?
Just a suggestion.
There is a knob on the back of the unit that allows you to adjust the voltage, I have it set for 14.5 volts. I have turned it up to as high as 16volts to see if the extra power would help. Thinking that maybe the capasitors in these decoders were sucking up to much juice at start up. It didn't.
I will contact MRC and if they cant figure it out all this MRC stuff Interface, Booster, and command station are getting auctioned off on Ebay at a $40.00 opening. Even though the Prod adv. 2 has worked flaulessly for over 5 years. maybe it is time for a new girl freind. I am not affriad to bite the bullet on the loss. All of their decoders[ MRC] I have owned are slowly dying off and getting replaced with either Tsunami for sound, and TCS for motor control locos. I am thinking the NCE wireless system may be the way to go.
Truck Phoebe Vet: The original system and the booster cannot be connected to the same zone of the track. The two segments must be gapped. Both rails at both ends. The polarity must match at the time the train moves from one zone to the other. Have you checked that? If you look at the picture, the wires on the left come from the command station that used to go to the track, and the wires on the right go to the track. Pretty simple. I boosted the whole layout, My intentions were to but curcuit breakers in different sections of the layout incase there was a problem the whole thing wont shut down. And after extencive trouble shooting I figured out why the booster is in overload when I first turn it on. I just have to figure out why it is doing this with Tsunami decoders. if I bypass the booster the command station works fine. even with Tsunami locos on the layout. Here is what is happening, with 2 or more locos with Tsunami,s, and the booster hooked upto the layout the locos with the Tsunami's have a light ticking/buzzing sound coming from them. if I tilt them so one side of the loco looses power and set them back on the track the overload goes away and all is fine. It is not doing it with QSI, Loksound, or MRC sound decoders only with the Tsunami's. And if I bypass the power booster all the Tsunami,s work fine no overload on the Prod. Adv. system by itself. So why are the Tsunami's causing an overload at initial start up with booster? You got me. Truck.
Phoebe Vet: The original system and the booster cannot be connected to the same zone of the track. The two segments must be gapped. Both rails at both ends. The polarity must match at the time the train moves from one zone to the other. Have you checked that?
The original system and the booster cannot be connected to the same zone of the track. The two segments must be gapped. Both rails at both ends. The polarity must match at the time the train moves from one zone to the other. Have you checked that?
If you look at the picture, the wires on the left come from the command station that used to go to the track, and the wires on the right go to the track. Pretty simple. I boosted the whole layout, My intentions were to but curcuit breakers in different sections of the layout incase there was a problem the whole thing wont shut down.
And after extencive trouble shooting I figured out why the booster is in overload when I first turn it on. I just have to figure out why it is doing this with Tsunami decoders. if I bypass the booster the command station works fine. even with Tsunami locos on the layout.
RE: it is also having the same problem with BLI & Paragon2 decoders. Light ticky/buzzy sound untill locos are lifted off and set back down.
Phoebe Vet The original system and the booster cannot be connected to the same zone of the track. The two segments must be gapped. Both rails at both ends. The polarity must match at the time the train moves from one zone to the other. Have you checked that?
cacole I'm not familiar with the MRC booster and how it connects to the Prodigy Advanced and track, but my suspicion is that something is not connected right or, if you're using stranded wire, a stray strand is touching an adjacent terminal. My first troubleshooting measure would be to connect the booster to the Prodigy without being connected to the track, and see if it shorts. If it does, then there's a problem with the booster and you need to contact MRC. If it shorts only when you connect the output to the track, then look for stray wire strands. I'd also go back and double check the DCC command signal connecitons between the Prodigy and booster -- you may have the wrong type of wire or one end miswired (cross-wired if it uses crimp-on telephone type plugs).
I'm not familiar with the MRC booster and how it connects to the Prodigy Advanced and track, but my suspicion is that something is not connected right or, if you're using stranded wire, a stray strand is touching an adjacent terminal.
My first troubleshooting measure would be to connect the booster to the Prodigy without being connected to the track, and see if it shorts. If it does, then there's a problem with the booster and you need to contact MRC.
If it shorts only when you connect the output to the track, then look for stray wire strands.
I'd also go back and double check the DCC command signal connecitons between the Prodigy and booster -- you may have the wrong type of wire or one end miswired (cross-wired if it uses crimp-on telephone type plugs).
The Prod adv. has the output to track terminals[ 2 wires] the booster has input from command and output to track pretty simple.
All my buss wires are solid only the feeders are stranded wire.
I connected a 3 foot section of track with a sound equiped loco on it to the outputs on the booster bypassing the layout and it worked fine.
I am wondering if the booster's circuit braker is more sensitive than that on the command station, and that there may be a little short circuit on the layout some where.
I am still troubleshooting. Thanks for the suggestions though. Truck.
Is the section powered by the booster isolated from the section powered by the basic system?
Are you positive the polarity is matched both between the system and the booster and between the two powered sections of track?
I have Digitrax, so I am not familiar with how your system connects.
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Her is the problem, it started last Friday. when I turn everything on the power booster overload light comes on and it does not send power to the track. At first I thought I had a derailed car, bad loco, or the weather is hot here again and the rails expanded and closed a gap, But after checking all that all seems good.
If I connect the track wires to the Prod. Adv. system and bypass the booster I get no short or overload. I can do the quarter test and all works fine. I do have the recommended amount of feeders, maybe more.
But what I dont get is why is everyhting working with 3.5 amps, and when I connect the 8 amp booster everything shuts down, or wont power up the rails.
Is the circuitry more sensitive in the 8 amp booster then the original 3.5 amp controller?
And please no bashing I would like help with my problem, I do not need to know how superior other systems are.