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DCC Novice needs help - a "block" shuts down when a loco crosses min to it.

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DCC Novice needs help - a "block" shuts down when a loco crosses min to it.
Posted by Lehigh Willie on Monday, April 4, 2011 11:32 AM

Several months ago I converted a small (34" x 87" shelf layout), common-wired DC layout with 7 blocks, including a reversing loop, into a DCC and DC operation in which, when I run in DCC (Bachmann E-Z Command), I engage a cutoff switch which denies DC power to all blocks and the common.  I kept the DC operation option because I have a number of 30-year old brass locos that I want to keep operating that way, but I also have some newer DCC On Board locos and want to get into sound.  I realize the danger here, but long as I am the only one operating the layout, I'll take the risk of burning out either a loco or a transformer/control if I accidently power both systems at once.  And everything has been running just fine until the last few days.

My single main line has two blocks.  Recently, after a few minutes of OK operation, when a loco operating in DCC hits block #2, it stops dead.  I tested the track on block #2 with my multi-tester and, when this happens and the loco is sitting at the beginning of block #2, there is no power to the track.  Sometimes when I run a loco into the other end of block #2, it runs a few feet in to the block and then shuts down - same thing, no power to track showing on the meter.  I pull the engine,  shut down the entire system for a few minutes - say 5- and sometines, but not always, when I power it up again, block #2 runs for awhile, then shuts down when an engine hits it or has run part way in to it.  No engine burn out, no apparent damage to the E-Z Command control, no smoking contacts, all other blocks, including the reversing loop operate fine in DCC.  The same phenomemon happens when I run a DC engine on the one analog loco operating circuit on the E-Z Command. 

Something is causing the block #2 circuit to open somewhere when an engine bridges the gap, but the usual short circuit flashing and clicking on the E-Z Command control does not occur.

Has anyone got an idea about what is wrong and how I can fix it?  Advice wil be gratefully appreciated.

Regards,

edwardjIII

 

 

 

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EdwardjIII
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Posted by MisterBeasley on Monday, April 4, 2011 12:22 PM

I'm guessing that the wiring to that block has a loose connection.  That would explain the intermittent nature of the problem, and the fact that nothing has burned out.

If you've got a meter, check the voltage on both the working and non-working blocks.  Then, see if one rail or the other is the problem, by checking the voltage betweeen rail A on the working block and rail B on the non-working block, and then the other way around.  If you don't have a meter, use a 16-volt light bulb.

How does the reverse loop figure into this?  Is it wired with a DCC auto-reverser?  Do the trains crossing into your problem block still have their caboose in a reverse loop, by any chance?

First, make absolutely sure the DC system if OFF.  Unplug it, and if you can, disconnect it completely.

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Posted by locoi1sa on Monday, April 4, 2011 5:28 PM

  Ed,

 Like Mr B has suggested either a reverse polarity between the two blocks is happening or a bad contact/ wiring. How were the blocks controlled in DC? Is there a DPDT switch that changed polarity while in DC that could be set wrong? Does the block in question pass a quarter test? Does this block have the reverse loop?

      Pete

 I pray every day I break even, Cause I can really use the money!

 I started with nothing and still have most of it left!

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