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Electronic Question
Posted by CPbuff on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 4:47 PM

I was working on an old British Locomotive (with rotor motor) for a friend who said the decoder had quit. Upon investigation I found the the contacts were dirty and the decoder works fine...However I found a .05mF capacitor across the + and - sides of the motor. The problem I found was that the motor had overheated causing the bearings in the plastic housing to melt throwing the armature shaft off centre and thereby causing the gears not to mesh properly and jam solid...

Do you thing the capacitor was the cause of the overheating?

Was the capacitor too small or too large?

Why the capacitor across the motor terminals?  (Is that not a short across the motor?)

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 4:56 PM

Capacitor is not needed.  It's to comply with European RF supression standards.

DCC decoders work best with can and solid core motors.  Any other type is a crap shoot where it might overheat and melt.

Don - Specializing in layout DC->DCC conversions

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Posted by richg1998 on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 5:00 PM

DC controlled or DCC controlled? Apparently the loco has been running fine up until then. I would doubt the capacitor shorted but could happen as it happened to a piece of electronic equipment I was working on some years ago that shorted out a card used in a paper winding machine. Over the years, it has been very rare to see that type of capacitor short in my experience. I do remember the yellow body of the cap started to turn dark brown about the time the circuit breaker fired. There where many of those on the card for high frequency filtering.

The reason I ask is I have a Spectrum 70 ton DCC ready that had three capacitors hanging on the motor leads. The were not the polarized or electrolytic type.

Don't remember how they were connected as I removed them. I always remove any capacitors fom the Spectrum locos.

Rich

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Posted by CPbuff on Thursday, March 3, 2011 10:34 AM

Thanks for the info... As it turns out because of the rotory motor melting the motor case and the age of the unit  the owner will have to find a new motor  or I will have to macgyver a new one into place which won't be easy... less the capacitor!

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Thursday, March 3, 2011 2:58 PM

Yeah, the cap should go as well as any inductors in series with the wiring.

Good Luck on finding a motor for it.  Modern can motors will work stronger and also draw less current.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, March 4, 2011 11:18 AM

 That cap didnl;t cause the overheating, the cap is there to supress RF emissions so your locos don't cause TV and raio interferences (although I never had an issue with this), but it ALSO supresses high frquency decoder drives as well as the BEMF signal if you use a BEMF decoder. FOr this reason the caps should be removed for DCC. It also appears these caps interfere with DC power systems that use PWM (same as a decoder), and the locos tend to run better without the cap.

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