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Proto F3 keeps running after the throttle is turned to stop?

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Proto F3 keeps running after the throttle is turned to stop?
Posted by onrman3 on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:14 PM

I bought this HO Proto F3 unit at a train show in another province some distance away and after I got it home it ran great . . .but did not stop when I turned the throttle down to the stop position. I run a DC system and when I contacted the seller by email he told me that it had a decoder at one time . . . and that he might have left it in . . . if so how could I operate it with my DC system? It will not run with my other Proto units that have the decoder plug in place rather than a decoder. The unit takes off right away and not like my Proto 2-8-0 which slowly powers up (it is DC/DCC compatible).

Any advice?

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Posted by lone geep on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:28 PM

The decoder could be programmed for a slower stop. If you can, check the decoder CVs. I shouldn't be too hard to remove the decoder unless its a wired one instead of plug and play one.

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Posted by onrman3 on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:35 PM

Hi what is a decoder cv?

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Posted by tbdanny on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:44 PM

onrman,

CV is short for 'configuration variable' and is used to program the decoder for various functions.  Lone Geep is suggesting that you check the decoder's programming to see how it is programmed to respond.  CVs number 3 and 4 control momentum and inertia behaviours - if they're set to anything other than '0', this will result in simulated momentum, which would be why your locomotive can't run with the other, DC-only ones.  CVs 2, 6 and 5 control the start, mid-range and stop speeds.  If you have a friend with a DCC system, you could ask him to try reading these back for you.

Hope this helps,

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:58 PM

 CV3 and 4 have no effect when runnign on DC power. CV13 controls which functions (such as the headlights) are on in DC mode, that's the only standard DCC CV that has any effect in DC mode.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:01 PM

If you are runnig DC I would strongly recommend you just remove the decoder and make your own jumpers from wire to match your other locos.

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Posted by onrman3 on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:59 PM

Well after removing the shell I only see the wires that the previous owner attached to each other - no decoder to replace!

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:15 PM

Is there a lump with heat shrink on it?  Decoders are quite small and can be easily missed.

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Posted by larak on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:18 PM

Seems like you have a perpetual motion machine. IOW - impossible. If the throttle is working correctly, the loco must eventually stop when the control is set to zero. Even a large capacitor wouldn't keep it running for long.  Is there a battery inside? (Dumb question, but what -the- heck).

Did you meter the track to make sure that there is no voltage there? Do the wheels stop turning immediately when you lift it off of the track?

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:23 PM

The reason that larak asked that is because the OP said he's running DC.  If running a DC controller if the throttle is turned to zero there shouldn't be any voltage present on the track.

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Posted by onrman3 on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:26 PM

Yes, what is my next step once I remove the black elctrical tape?

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:37 PM

Hamltnblue

The reason that larak asked that is because the OP said he's running DC.  If running a DC controller if the throttle is turned to zero there shouldn't be any voltage present on the track.

Not necessarily so. The Aristo Craft Train Engineer, and a few other transistor throttle designs over the years, do not ground the output transistor to zero when off. So, as a regular motor sees it, it is zero because there is no current under load, but a digital volt meter will read as much as half the supply voltage with no load accross the rails.

I'm not sure how a dual mode decoder would see this, and it might begin to explain all the poor performance of dual mode decoders I have experianced with the TE and other transistor throttles.

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Posted by onrman3 on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:39 PM

When the unit is removed the wheels stop. The throttle is working properly as all of my units stop when the throttle is turned to zero.  it is the powermaster walk around system. 

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Posted by skagitrailbird on Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:38 AM

If possible, remove the shell from the problem F-3 and from one of your other performing locomotives (preferably another Proto F-3), take good photo or two of each and post them.  That will let other posters see what is in there and may lead to a solution to your problem.

Good luck!

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