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Tsunami Problem
Posted by hobo9941 on Sunday, January 2, 2011 10:48 PM

I just installed a Tsunami in an Athearn SD75I. Works OK. I  love the ditchlights flashing in crossing mode.

Now then. I have no brake squeal, auto or manual. I remapped the brake squeal to F9, by programming 128 into CV43, as per the manual. I have a Zephyr also. CV43 reads back a value of 128, but no brake squeal on F9, or on auto mode.

Also, I could not figure out why it started so slow. Discovered a value of 128 in CV3, the acceleration CV, right from the factory! That'some pretty slow acceleration. I think the default is 0.

My question is why no brake squeal,or coupler sounds?

             Thanks, Rich

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, January 2, 2011 10:56 PM

 Unless you actually have a Zephyr Xtra or a DT40x or UT4 throttle, you have no F9 button to trigger anything that might be on F9. Regular Zephyr only does F0-F8 unless an external throttle capable of more is plugged in.

 Also check CV196, this is the threshold for the automatic brake squeal. Default is 3. Larger means you have to crank the speed down faster, smaller means it will trigger brake squeal with less rapid throttle movement.

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Posted by hobo9941 on Sunday, January 2, 2011 11:35 PM

My Zephyr has an F9 button. Are you saying it does nothing? The button is there. I also checked and programmed the CV196 to 3. I have a UT4, but it is up north, where the layout is. I just have a test track here at home.

According to the chart in the Tsunami manual, I can't remap the brake squeal to anything lower than F9. But it should work on auto, when I slow the engine down.

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Posted by CSX Robert on Sunday, January 2, 2011 11:59 PM

hobo9941

My Zephyr has an F9 button. Are you saying it does nothing? The button is there...

No, the Zephyr does not have an "F9" button.  It does have a "9" button, it is used for entering the digit 9 when programming CV's or selecting Loco's or switches.

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Posted by Truck on Monday, January 3, 2011 12:18 AM

MRC Prod. Adv.2 Sq. I just love it's 28 function capabilities. No extra nothing to buy, just plug in and go. 

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, January 3, 2011 6:45 AM

 28 functions is largely a "hey look I have more, and more is better" marketing thing and sadly, now every manufacturer has bought in to it. 28 for WHAT? barnyard sounds? train wreck simulations?

 Diesels have a motor, a horn, a bell, and brakes. Even simulating manual notching doesn't require 28 functions. Who can ever REMEMBER what all 28 control? Oh gee whiz, an automatic grade crossing sequence - have we become too lazy to press the F2 button the proper number of times? Oh, I might need 1 more for a steam loco, to operate the injector.

 Until someone comes up with an ACTUAL use for 28 functions, I'll continue to say the same thing - it serves no purpose other than being a gimmick. And now it's not even really that because everyone's system support it.

 Had I purchased MRC's DCC system at the time I got my Zephyr, I would have had to throw it away and buy a whole new system to get the current one. It took MRC 3 or 4 tries to figure out that people don't want to buy a whole new system to get extra capabilities. In the meantime, I've kept the same Zephyr and added on more throttles and other accessories and now have all the leatest features using the same old system.

                  --Randy

 So tell me, how's that computer interface working out, the one that DOESN'T support both free and commercial software like JMRI or RR & Co. How's that plug in track detection and signalling system? Oh yeah, the bus can't handle that.

 


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Posted by yankee flyer on Monday, January 3, 2011 8:17 AM

And I thought we had a kinder and gentler forum.   Sigh

Lee

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Posted by Vail and Southwestern RR on Monday, January 3, 2011 9:34 AM

Well, it wasn't a helpful post.  And Randy's analysis of the progression of MRC's DCC products is spot on, and exactly why I won't touch them with a twenty foot pole.  Inflation, you know!

Jeff But it's a dry heat!

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Posted by woodone on Monday, January 3, 2011 9:45 AM

You can program the Tsunami's to have an automatic brake squeal, and there will be no need to push any buttons. 

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Posted by selector on Monday, January 3, 2011 11:25 AM

Truck

MRC Prod. Adv.2 Sq. I just love it's 28 function capabilities. No extra nothing to buy, just plug in and go. 

That's fine.  It's not a Digitrax, is it......Wink  

But, thanks for comin' out.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, January 3, 2011 1:36 PM

 Yes, brake squeal should be automatic, depending on CV196 as I mentioned in my first post. It shouldn't matter what function button the manual brake squeal is set for. There may be another CV for brake squeal, I was just skimming the manual not looking for all the details. If things have gotten too far out of whack you cna try resetting to factory defaults, which should have an automatic brake squeal, and then adjusting what needs adjusting.

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Monday, January 3, 2011 2:29 PM

If it's not working in automatic try turning up the brake squeel volume.  As far as 28 functions I think I tried them a couple of times but it gets old real quick.  All I use is the horn, lights, bell and the remainder of the sounds are automatic.

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Posted by hobo9941 on Monday, January 3, 2011 10:18 PM

No, the Zephyr does not have an "F9" button.  It does have a "9" button, it is used for entering the digit 9 when programming CV's or selecting Loco's or switches.

Well, here's another fine mess you've got us into, Ollie.Wink

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, January 4, 2011 7:33 AM

 The Bachmann EZ-Command has buttons for 0-9 b ut no F9 as well. The break is at F8 because that's the way the NMRA standards were written. F9-F12 uses a different method of encoding the function commands in the packets, and F13-F28 uses yet another method.

 Some early systems only went to F4!  Still enough even for basic sound.

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Posted by woodone on Tuesday, January 4, 2011 1:12 PM

CV 196 will adjust the brake squeal sensitivity-it does not make it a auto feature-

For the auto feature you must change CV 198 (for DCC mode) to work. Set CV198 to 8 and this will make the brakes squeal, then you can adjust 196 to make them come on as you would like.  Doing a reset will not make the auto brake squeal, as this is not a default setting. 

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Posted by hobo9941 on Tuesday, January 4, 2011 11:41 PM

Thanks. I'll try all of that. I downloaded the Tsunami manual, but it is unclear and lacking in several areas.  I would like to see the defaults for all CVs, as well as the ranges. Some are 0 to 255. Others are different. The manual doesn't say what the ranges are for some of the CVs. The decoder seems to have some good features, but it is a learning experience for sure. I could not figure why the loco ran so slow, and was so slow to move. When I read back the value of CV3, it was 128! I certainly didn't program it that way. I had not programmed it at all yet, at that point. I like it, but it has taken me a while to figure it out.

Also, CV115 controls the horn selection, with a value from 0 to 15. But nowhere in the manual does it say what value equals what horn. Couldn't find it on the Soundtraxx website either. You just have to try each one. Thanks for all the input.

            Rich

 

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Posted by woodone on Wednesday, January 5, 2011 12:30 PM

Rich,

Look at the rear of the manual- you will find a appendix B chart- it will list all CV's and what they do.

As for the horn you will need to know what decoder you have- then go the SoundTraxx web site find the decoder them you should be able to see what horns are on that decoder. 

One of the best ways to program a Tsunami,  is using  the JMRI  Decoder -Pro software with a PC.

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Posted by Train Modeler on Wednesday, January 5, 2011 1:39 PM

Here are the horns most likely available for your decoder.    These are for the TSU AT1000 EMD710

http://www.soundtraxx.com/dsd/tsunami/showwistle.php?s=emd710

This info is on a  packaging card included with your decoder and has a listing of each horn CV value and associated horn among other info. 

The manuals(users manual, installation manual and technical reference) have the default values in them.  But not all manuals have all default values.    The last I checked, the tech ref had all default values listed on the bottom of each individual CV segment. 

I  have made an excell spreadsheet  to start recording function and CV purposes/values as a sort of cheat sheet---not done yet  however.    After I started doing this I discovered Decoder Pro and it made a lot of that info unnecessary and all of my decoders easier to use.

Richard

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Wednesday, January 5, 2011 2:36 PM

If you go to the tsunami page there are actually 2 manuals.  The first is the technical reference.  This will list all cv's and their function as well as range and default.

The second is the users guide.  This puts the main programming sections into more plain english and IMO is easier to understand for the average Joe.

Here's the page with the links

http://www.soundtraxx.com/manuals.php

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Posted by hobo9941 on Wednesday, January 5, 2011 11:42 PM

Thanks guys. I downloaded the Tsunami Technical Manual, whih gave me what I was looking for. Got it working pretty good now. Ditch lights, crossing effect, etc. Thanks again.

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