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I smelled something burning...
Posted by Rob_C on Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:30 PM

Brand new DH123, brand new loco. Just got done painting the shell.

So do I risk burning up another decoder?  Who is the likely culperit?  Engine runs fine in DC without the DCC decoder. 

Any ideas?

Thanks!

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Posted by selector on Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:43 PM

I guess you could risk burning up another decoder, but I would ask why.

If the first one burned due to an oversight or to a previous defect, or to one that took place during reassembly of the shell and frame, it would seem to me to be prudent to try to determine the cause before I spent another inadvertent $18. Or a lot more.

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Posted by richg1998 on Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:58 PM

Troubleshoot. Just take your multimeter and check the wiring for shorts. Use the NMRA color code wiring diagram.

Don't ever try messing with DCC installs without using a multimeter. Fairly often, this is not plug and play for those who have limited knowledge of electronics as used in DCC.

Having been in electronics for many years, I do not assume with DCC. Much of this stuff comes from China. No idea on how USA manufacturers fir into the line for DCC installs.

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:57 PM

 I assume you mean it runs fine in DC AFTER you put the dummy plug back on? With the decoder out and nothing connected to the 9 pin plug it should NOT move - if it does, you've got a short somewhere - or a dummy plug in the 8 pin socket, if that's one of the versions that has both a 9 pin AND an 8 pin connector.

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Posted by locoi1sa on Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:14 PM

  Check and re check with a multimeter like has been suggested first. If it checks out ok then put another decoder in and put the loco on the PROGRAM track. The current limiting of the program track will weed out a defect hopefully before damage is done. Although I have had decoders fry on the program track before. They were also Digitrax but that was years ago.

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:43 PM

rrinker

or a dummy plug in the 8 pin socket, if that's one of the versions that has both a 9 pin AND an 8 pin connector.

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+1

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Posted by Rob_C on Saturday, December 11, 2010 3:51 PM

Thanks guys.  To clarify, yes the unit works with the dummy plug in, not with it removed. 

Also I was able to program the locomotive when the decoder was in it before it fried as well as read back programming.  The first indication there was a problem was the lack of lights or movement when placed on the main.  So I took it back to the shop, put it on the DC test track and it only ran in reverse, it was reading an overload when switched to forward.  Shortly thereafter I smelled the smell.  Took off the cover and sure enough!

I guess I'll invest in a multimeter if I want to solve this one.

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, December 11, 2010 5:14 PM

Besides a multimeter, you should also purchase a decoder tester.

The  first thing that I do with a new decoder is run it through the decoder tester to see if the decoder is faulty.  Sometimes, brand new decoders can be faulty. 

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, December 11, 2010 5:17 PM

locoi1sa

  Check and re check with a multimeter like has been suggested first. If it checks out ok then put another decoder in and put the loco on the PROGRAM track. The current limiting of the program track will weed out a defect hopefully before damage is done. Although I have had decoders fry on the program track before. They were also Digitrax but that was years ago.

         Pete

Really?

Pete, I don't doubt you, but I have never fried a decoder on the programming track.  How has that happened to you?  And, since you used the plural - - decoders - - that has happened more than once?

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, December 11, 2010 5:23 PM

 Fried on the program track of which system? Not all are current limited.

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Posted by locoi1sa on Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:45 PM

  Rich.

 They were both plug and pray digitrax decoders. The second the loco was placed on the track poof. I actually saw them go poof. The system at that time was a Lenz set 01 with a dedicated program track that put an error 02 as soon as it happened. Error 02 means no decoder installed or detected. One loco was a Bachmann 2-8-0 with a DH123 in the quick plug. The other was a P2K S1 with a DZ123. Both decoders popped and turned black at the same spot as the OP pictured. They had to have some sort of defect. I put another brand of decoder in the same locos and never had a problem since. Out of over 100 decoder installs these were the only ones to go poof on me at the git go. I had a Loksound go south after a few months because of a wire that broke loose and short to the frame. I am not a professional decoder installer but do some for club members and other people in the area. I have installed just about every brand of decoder save for MRC in a lot of brands of HO locos, buildings, cranes, cars and other things. I always ohm out the installation before installing a decoder quick plug, hard wire, and even board replacements.

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Posted by Stevert on Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:53 PM

Rob_C
So I took it back to the shop, put it on the DC test track

Rob, I realize this is water under the bridge, but why would you to put a decodered loco on a DC test track to check for a possible decoder/DCC issue?

Maybe I'm missing something, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time, but that seems counterintuitive to me.

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Posted by Rob_C on Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:15 PM

A reasonable question!  I figured if I put it on the DC track and it didn't work (with or without decoder in it, I could reasonably assume I had busted something on the loco itself.  Just trying to narrow things down a bit...

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Sunday, December 12, 2010 4:07 PM

I hope you didn't leave the dummy plug in when you put the decoder in. I did that once with an Athearn loco. The result was kinda like a roller skating hippo. It wasn't pretty.

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Posted by Rob_C on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:17 AM

lol nope, this was a 9 pin so you kinda have to remove the dummy plug.  Although I did notice they are including an 8 pin socket now on their boards.  Nice!


Without having my testing supplies here yet, I still maintain it's the decoder or the loco wouldn't be running on DC... *shrug*

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:38 AM

 There's nothing "nice' about the 8 pin plug - with most brands of decoders you can save a buck or two by getting a plain 9 pin decoder vs one with a harness and an 8 pin plug. TCS for example, has the T1 which has a 9 pin plug and comes with a wire harness, for soldering in. The same decoder, T1A, with just the decoder and no wires, which will plug right in the AThearn 9 pin conenctor, is $1 less.  NCE has the D13SRJ which has a 9 pin plug and wires - the same decoder, but with an 9 pin plug, the D13SRP, is SIX dollars more.

I usually hard wire my decoders so I use ones with a 9 pin plug and plain wires. Too many unknowns on a lot of these more and more complicated factory lighting boards, but if I connect the decoder's red and black to the track pickup wires I KNOW it's connected. For my Athearn RS3 though I did just use the T1A and plug into the 9 pin.

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