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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:24 AM

 Exactly. I actually DIDN'T loop the bus on my last layout, but that's because the opposite midpoint was also a logical break between power districts (which I never implemented). Every time a loco crossed the gap there was a period of time when the bus was then a loop, via the loco's pickups. No problems ever, with many different decoders, sound and non-sound. What I actually had was a shorter loop right at the command station, because I wired each bus line to a terminal strip to make it easy to add a breaker later, and then jumpered across all of them (remove jumpers, insert breaker - instant power districts). So I had a loop - with 4 'tails' of bus runs coming off it, any two of which formed a second loop when a loco crossed the gap on the opposite side of the layout.

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Posted by Vail and Southwestern RR on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:20 PM

gandydancer19

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In the end, it doesn't really matter.  The "ideal" way would be to go out from the command station in both directions, and theoretically dead end them where they meet.  But for practical purposes, it won't matter.

 

Sorry, but I disagree.  The power bus should not be connected in a loop configuration.  It may not make much of a difference on a small layout, but on a large one it would.  So don't start learning bad habits in the beginning.

(USN Ret Avation Electronics Technician)

 

The theory says it could matter, but it's been shown that it doesn't.  If it did, even breaking the bus wouldn't prevent the problem, when a loco crossed bridged the gaps (front wheels to rear, so it would be a while), the loop would be complete, at the very point where interference would  be most likely.  The DCC signal is large and slow.  It's going to be hard to break that way!

 

(By the way, I have always been one to say that given the choice, I wouldn't loop the bus, and I wouldn't, but I am also convinced it won't matter.)

Jeff But it's a dry heat!

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:10 PM

 We just had this discussion. It doesn't make any difference. If your track goes in a continuous loop, it doesn't matter if you loop the power bus or not. Unless you are also proposing that we need to put insulated joiners in the track so as to not have the track make a continuous loop. Now, if your layout stretches 20 feet in each direction in an L shape, it would be absolutely SILLZY to loop the ends of the bus wires, but if you have somethign like an 8x10 donut, it will make no difference.

                             --Randy


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Posted by gandydancer19 on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:25 PM

Vail and Southwestern RR
In the end, it doesn't really matter.  The "ideal" way would be to go out from the command station in both directions, and theoretically dead end them where they meet.  But for practical purposes, it won't matter.

 

Sorry, but I disagree.  The power bus should not be connected in a loop configuration.  It may not make much of a difference on a small layout, but on a large one it would.  So don't start learning bad habits in the beginning.

(USN Ret Avation Electronics Technician)

Elmer.

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Posted by sparkyjay31 on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:11 PM
Great idea of running the bus in two directions. I never thought of that. Thanks guys.
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Posted by mobilman44 on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:10 PM

As V&S wrote, it probably doesn't matter, but you might do better by running two bus(s), one  "to the left, and the other to the right" of the controls.  Then, tape up the end and staple or otherwise secure it under the benchwork.  One reason is this keeps them shorter in length, and also gives you (hopefully) and easier tracing later on down the road.

Of course on smaller layouts the above is moot, but on larger ones it could be fairly good to do.

Mobilman44

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Posted by Vail and Southwestern RR on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:59 PM
In the end, it doesn't really matter.  The "ideal" way would be to go out from the command station in both directions, and theoretically dead end them where they meet.  But for practical purposes, it won't matter.

Jeff But it's a dry heat!

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Bus wiring question
Posted by sparkyjay31 on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:53 PM
I am wrapping up the wiring of my first "real" layout. I've already put in all my drops and the main bus wiring. My layout is a roundy-round. The bus wiring starts at the console for the NCE Powercab and then runs all along the track. Now it stops back at the beginning. My question is should this simply dead end, or should I connect it also to the console?

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