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Digitrax/QSI Quantum programming question

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Posted by VulcanCCIT on Monday, November 9, 2009 8:30 PM

I did read that I can do 38...I have them at 34 for now.  I will keep 38 in my memory for safe keeping :)  Thank you Jeff!

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Posted by jbinkley60 on Saturday, November 7, 2009 9:43 PM

selector

VulcanCCIT

this worked great!  I take it I need to do that CV29 for each loco correct? same steps for each loco?  I do appreciate your fast reply :)

Actually, no.  Only if your decoder type is being given what the manufacturer specifies is a "long" or an "extended" address for that decoder.

For the QSI brand, any address using a number higher than "127" is considered to be an extended address.  In that case, you would alter the setting in CV29, as you have found.  But, to your question above, no, not all decoders and not all addresses.  I don't know which they are, but some decoders use another number as the upper limit for their extended address/short address boundary.  However, all NMRA spec compliant decoders do require you to configure CV29 if the number you assign is an extended address.

There is more: you have set all your CV29's to a value of 34 and are happily running your trains.  Always a good thing!  Yet, you could have assigned a value of 38 and still be having the same amount of fun.  Why is this so?  The value of 34 locks your decoder into 28/128 speed steps in throttle response with a capability of using strictly DCC current to the rails...not DC.  The other value, 38, allows the decoder to use its "dual mode" capability of sensing which type of power it is getting and to conform to that type of power.  So, a value of 38 allows you to take your engine to a club that is still operating on DC and be able to run your engine.

-Crandell

Just remember with DC compatability enabled, you run the risk of the occassional run away locomotive.  That is why many of us recommend 34 or 35.

 

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, November 6, 2009 7:05 PM

VulcanCCIT

that is a cool website, thank you Randy!  Thank you all, I am up and running...all loco's programmed and working.  Now I need to get used to DCC as far as all of the cool things I can do now.  I think it is awesome how I can have one train going one way and another going the other way on the same track :)  I appreciate all of your help and this forum!

 

 

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Posted by VulcanCCIT on Friday, November 6, 2009 6:47 PM

that is a cool website, thank you Randy!  Thank you all, I am up and running...all loco's programmed and working.  Now I need to get used to DCC as far as all of the cool things I can do now.  I think it is awesome how I can have one train going one way and another going the other way on the same track :)  I appreciate all of your help and this forum!

 

 

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, November 6, 2009 5:59 PM

 Turning off verbal response doesn't fix it - the QSI decoder still takes the time when it would respond before it will accept the programming of CV29, and the timeout on the Digitrax throttle is rather short. If you don't hit Y when it prompts for Ad4on? it will timeout and you'll have to start all over again. Best bet is to just manually set CV29. In fact if starting from a default address of 3, you can use one of the many online CV17/18 calculators to just program all three CVs manually in Ops Mode and it will always work. Most of the 17/18 caulculators also have CV29 calculators - so you cna check off the options you want and it will also give you the value to program in CV29.

Here's one: http://www.2fs.org/articles/cv29%20calculator.htm

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Posted by CSX Robert on Friday, November 6, 2009 5:43 PM
VulcanCCIT
...I hear the loco read back to me the loco number...
That may be the problem right there. Digitrax does automatically program CV29, if you hit 'Y' at the "Ad4on?=y" prompt, but if tried to write it while the decoder was saying the address, I don't think the decoder will take it. There is an option to turn off the verbal response in the QSI that should overcome that problem.
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Posted by wjstix on Friday, November 6, 2009 3:50 PM

Yes be aware that CV29 does more than allow for extended addresses, it also controls a number of other things like direction of travel, speed steps, etc. so be sure to check the instructions that came with the engine or decoder to see what number to enter there. Smile

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Posted by selector on Friday, November 6, 2009 3:23 PM

VulcanCCIT

this worked great!  I take it I need to do that CV29 for each loco correct? same steps for each loco?  I do appreciate your fast reply :)

Actually, no.  Only if your decoder type is being given what the manufacturer specifies is a "long" or an "extended" address for that decoder.

For the QSI brand, any address using a number higher than "127" is considered to be an extended address.  In that case, you would alter the setting in CV29, as you have found.  But, to your question above, no, not all decoders and not all addresses.  I don't know which they are, but some decoders use another number as the upper limit for their extended address/short address boundary.  However, all NMRA spec compliant decoders do require you to configure CV29 if the number you assign is an extended address.

There is more: you have set all your CV29's to a value of 34 and are happily running your trains.  Always a good thing!  Yet, you could have assigned a value of 38 and still be having the same amount of fun.  Why is this so?  The value of 34 locks your decoder into 28/128 speed steps in throttle response with a capability of using strictly DCC current to the rails...not DC.  The other value, 38, allows the decoder to use its "dual mode" capability of sensing which type of power it is getting and to conform to that type of power.  So, a value of 38 allows you to take your engine to a club that is still operating on DC and be able to run your engine.

-Crandell

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Posted by VulcanCCIT on Friday, November 6, 2009 3:14 PM

I am up and running on all 3 of my locos with their road numbers, I am in DCC Heaven, thank you all!!  now I need more locomotives!  No one told me how addicting this would be lol.

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Posted by VulcanCCIT on Friday, November 6, 2009 1:54 PM

this worked great!  I take it I need to do that CV29 for each loco correct? same steps for each loco?  I do appreciate your fast reply :)

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Posted by cacole on Friday, November 6, 2009 1:16 PM

 Program a value of 34 into CV 29 as a separate step.  This tells the decoder that you want to use the long address instead of 3.  Most DCC systems do this by asking if you want to "configure" your decoder after changing something, but maybe you inadvertently skipped over this step by exiting from programming mode too soon.

 

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Digitrax/QSI Quantum programming question
Posted by VulcanCCIT on Friday, November 6, 2009 12:55 PM

I am up and running with a new Digitrax Super Chief system, thanks to all of your help and guidance over the past few weeks.  I am testing the system on one loco, that is an Atlas with a QSI Quantum decoder.  I want to program the default loco address to the loco's number, in this case 9167.  I am following the instructions in the Digitrax manual on page 91 and 92.  after I hit enter in step 8...I hear the loco read back to me the loco number.  I hit exit as in step 10, but the loco seems to stay as address 03.  What am I missing?  so far the DCC is really cool :) 

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