Trains.com

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Hmmm...Received a PSX3 instead of PSX 1s

1525 views
8 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    March 2008
  • From: Seattle Area
  • 1,794 posts
Hmmm...Received a PSX3 instead of PSX 1s
Posted by Capt. Grimek on Friday, July 10, 2009 6:54 PM
I just received my order PSX stuff and was accidentally shipped a PSX3 circuit breaker (3 units in one) instead of the three separate PSX1s I intended to use to optimize redundancy on the layout. If one went down, the other two power districts would stay operable/protected. (I'm guessing?) So... I did at one point consider the PSX 3 so don't fee TOO badly about using one. On the other hand, I'd like to have my order done correctly so have stubborn feelings about that :-) I'm sure I can exchange the 3 for the 1s but trying to decide if there's enough of a down side to the PSX 3 (or 4)s all being in one unit to wait longer for installing. Do the "ganged" PSX3s usually go out (if they even do) of operation with only one power district left unprotected or do they usually die or act up as a whole (all 3 circuit breakers off line). At about $90 the PSX 3 is a tad bit cheaper (but not that much) so replacement/back up unit wouldn't be disasterous I suppose. Any opinions, experiences with the multiple PSX units vs. singe units (PSX1s) for a three power district 8'X17' layout in HO would be appreciated. Jeez and I had finally made up my mind about what to use, thanks to all of your previous advice and reports! Thanks.

Raised on the Erie Lackawanna Mainline- Supt. of the Black River Transfer & Terminal R.R.

  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Gahanna, Ohio
  • 1,987 posts
Posted by jbinkley60 on Friday, July 10, 2009 7:00 PM

Capt. Grimek
I just received my order PSX stuff and was accidentally shipped a PSX3 circuit breaker (3 units in one) instead of the three separate PSX1s I intended to use to optimize redundancy on the layout. If one went down, the other two power districts would stay operable/protected. (I'm guessing?) So... I did at one point consider the PSX 3 so don't fee TOO badly about using one. On the other hand, I'd like to have my order done correctly so have stubborn feelings about that :-) I'm sure I can exchange the 3 for the 1s but trying to decide if there's enough of a down side to the PSX 3 (or 4)s all being in one unit to wait longer for installing. Do the "ganged" PSX3s usually go out (if they even do) of operation with only one power district left unprotected or do they usually die or act up as a whole (all 3 circuit breakers off line). At about $90 the PSX 3 is a tad bit cheaper (but not that much) so replacement/back up unit wouldn't be disasterous I suppose. Any opinions, experiences with the multiple PSX units vs. singe units (PSX1s) for a three power district 8'X17' layout in HO would be appreciated. Jeez and I had finally made up my mind about what to use, thanks to all of your previous advice and reports! Thanks.

 

I have 2 - PSX4s, one in each control panel.  Each booster powers one of them and they are located so that the longest bus runs are about 15 feet.  I am fine with the arrangement and I am able to put panel indicators on without running long wires back for the LEDs.  I mount mine on stand-offs on the back of my control panel. 

 

Engineer Jeff NS Nut
Visit my layout at: http://www.thebinks.com/trains/

  • Member since
    March 2008
  • From: Seattle Area
  • 1,794 posts
Posted by Capt. Grimek on Friday, July 10, 2009 7:21 PM
Thanks for your quick reply, Jeff. I looked on your site's pix (nice layout!) but only saw the the Digitrax units on the backs of your panels. How long have your PSX 4s been in service? Do you simply assume that 4 power districts may one day be left unprotected while the 4 gets sent off for service? Do you own any back up units, or plan to simply order one if you ever have to send you original in for servicing, etc.? I have yet to find anyone who's had a PSX unit(s) fail or give trouble, but suppose, eventually, it's inevitable. Thanks again for the additional feedback.

Raised on the Erie Lackawanna Mainline- Supt. of the Black River Transfer & Terminal R.R.

  • Member since
    July 2003
  • From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
  • 13,757 posts
Posted by cacole on Friday, July 10, 2009 8:44 PM

 I think the PSX 1 has been discontinued.  I was looking for one last week on Tony's web site and others, but could find none.  Even the DCC Specialties web site did not show the PSX 1 as a current item.

Why don't you telephone the vendor from whom you ordered the PSX and ask them why they sent the PSX 3 instead of three separate PSX 1's.

  • Member since
    March 2008
  • From: Seattle Area
  • 1,794 posts
Posted by Capt. Grimek on Friday, July 10, 2009 9:19 PM
Hi C. Yes, I will be calling them. (It was Tony's by the way.) There was no explanation included in the invoice or packaging. That's interesting that the 1s are no longer on the web site. I'm pretty sure I looked on DCC Specialties' site just today, but I may have accessed it from a link and gotten an older version (?) Can anyone verify that the PSX 1s have been discontinued? I may not be able to reach Tony's until Mon. but I'll try on Sat. a.m. I'll drop them an email too. Anyway, wondered if there IS any downside to using all in one units as opposed to individual. A five year warantee is a pretty good one!

Raised on the Erie Lackawanna Mainline- Supt. of the Black River Transfer & Terminal R.R.

  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Gahanna, Ohio
  • 1,987 posts
Posted by jbinkley60 on Friday, July 10, 2009 9:40 PM

Capt. Grimek
Thanks for your quick reply, Jeff. I looked on your site's pix (nice layout!) but only saw the the Digitrax units on the backs of your panels. How long have your PSX 4s been in service? Do you simply assume that 4 power districts may one day be left unprotected while the 4 gets sent off for service? Do you own any back up units, or plan to simply order one if you ever have to send you original in for servicing, etc.? I have yet to find anyone who's had a PSX unit(s) fail or give trouble, but suppose, eventually, it's inevitable. Thanks again for the additional feedback.

Here's a couple of pictures:

The circuit breakers are just to the left of the digitrax DS64s.I just realized that you have PSX-4s and mine are PS-4s, an older model.  The PSXs are newer and have not been discontinued.  The PS series is no longer avilable.

 

Engineer Jeff NS Nut
Visit my layout at: http://www.thebinks.com/trains/

  • Member since
    March 2008
  • From: Seattle Area
  • 1,794 posts
Posted by Capt. Grimek on Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:05 AM
Thanks for the pics, Jeff. I called Tony's Trains today and Norm told me that they've been receiving the PSXs as 4s and breaking them apart on the scored lines. So that gives me the option and I think I'll use them as individual units for redundancy as originally intended. Wouldn't the shorter wire length from individual PSX1 circuit breakers in/at each of their respective power districts be an advantage over one long(er) wire run from 3 different power districts to one PSX4?

Raised on the Erie Lackawanna Mainline- Supt. of the Black River Transfer & Terminal R.R.

  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Gahanna, Ohio
  • 1,987 posts
Posted by jbinkley60 on Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:11 AM

Capt. Grimek
Thanks for the pics, Jeff. I called Tony's Trains today and Norm told me that they've been receiving the PSXs as 4s and breaking them apart on the scored lines. So that gives me the option and I think I'll use them as individual units for redundancy as originally intended. Wouldn't the shorter wire length from individual PSX1 circuit breakers in/at each of their respective power districts be an advantage over one long(er) wire run from 3 different power districts to one PSX4?

The wire length may not make that much of a difference.  How long are the bus runs we are talking about ?  I centralize mine because the conrol panel tends to be in the middle of the power districts being served by the PS units.  My longest runs are about 20-25 feet.  Also, remember that the total length of the run also includes the PSX input side from the booster.

 

Engineer Jeff NS Nut
Visit my layout at: http://www.thebinks.com/trains/

  • Member since
    December 2004
  • 106 posts
Posted by spearo on Friday, July 17, 2009 10:11 AM

Length of the bus should not matter so long as you have the apropriate gauge wire.  Some of my longer bus runs are 40', it just means I have to use 12g wire.  Digitrax instructions say (I think, you should double check) up to 50' is OK so long as you use 12 g.

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Users Online

There are no community member online

Search the Community

ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
Model Railroader Newsletter See all
Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox!