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Running Power Buss and Feeders at Front of Layout Q.

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:29 PM
Any idea why "facia wiring" hasn't been much more popular and prevalent? Is it a hold over from DC wiring needs? Any particular things to consider when bringing Tortoise switch machine wiring to the front of the layout, signaling wiring, etc.? I'd always read (in many sources) to limit the length of the DCC feeders to six inches or so, so not having technical electrical knowledge I took that suggestion as "gospel". Sounds like it's nothing to worry about in practice. IF one does NOT use the tail light bulbs would one be limited to a considerably shorter length or is the amount of resistance going to be similar enough not to be a major issue? I'm drawn more to the solid state ARs and circuit breakers than the light bulbs even though the expense is greater. Any additional education is appreciated. Thanks.

Raised on the Erie Lackawanna Mainline- Supt. of the Black River Transfer & Terminal R.R.

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Posted by duckdogger on Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:22 AM

I did not understand the specifics of the feeder length and the relationship to resistance, only that shorter was better so that's what I strived for.  Even using 18 gauge for the drops, I kept the length to 8 inches at the expense of a lot of lower back discomfort after the wiring sessions.  If I were to do it again, I would keep the gauge but not be so anal about the drop length.

I like the idea of the bus along the facia and there are certainly numerous ways to dress or even hide the wires available.

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Posted by retsignalmtr on Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:08 AM

I am  member of the Olde Newburgh Model RR Club. Several years ago we installed a digitrax DCC system on our layout. The previous DC wiring was 18 AWG and had many areas that were farthest from the controllers that had some voltage drop problems. I began rewiring the DCC buss on the outside of the layout using 14 AWG stranded wire and European style pass through barrier strips, stripping the insulation off the wires where they pass through the barrier strip. Then the rail feeders 20 AWG stranded, were brought out to the buss and inserted in the respective barrier post. This system is called a buss duct. This made working on the wiring easier as it eliminated the task of crawling under the layout and working upside down. I then made a new facia for the portion I have completed to cover the wiring. The buss consists of four power districts running in the duct. I have completed 30' of this duct and it looks very nice and has replaced the rats nest of wiring under the layout.

By the way, a former member of my club, an NMRA member, called this ridiculous and that he had never seen this done before. He is no longer a club member thankfully. 

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:15 AM

As Selector indicated, "Short," is relative.

I wire all of my electricals through terminal blocks designed to be reached while sitting on a chair in the aisleway.  My longest drop, rail to terminal block, is about one meter.  Others are shorter, down to six inches or so.  (I still use Analog DC, but the terminal blocks are where I would put my main power bus connections if I ever switch over to DCC.)

Glancing at the AWG table of wire sizes/current capacity, #14 bus wires have a resistance of 0.0083 ohms/meter, and #18 drops have a resistance of approximately 0.02 ohms/meter.  If you protect your circuits with the tail light lamps everyone recommends, you will never come anywhere near their rated current capacities.

Adding a few centimeters of length to rail drops to bring all the connections to the edge of the layout is a good investment in long-term satisfaction.

Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with easily-accessible wiring)

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Posted by selector on Sunday, June 7, 2009 12:16 AM

If you can be neat and organized, keeping your orientation consistent between left and right rail with a given pair of feeder wire colours, I don't see a problem.  And even then, why not use the same gauges you talk about? 

I have several sets of feeders to my folded loop 56' main.  Some are a few inches, some are 3'.  To me, the idea is to have a 16-14 gauge bus running around the layout so that feeders can be kept "short".  Short for 24 gauge wire might mean 12" for 8 amps.  Or, it might mean 24" for 22 gauge and 8 amps.  I use the four wired cable that you buy in a 100' spool at Radio Shack.  Each wire comes in a plastic sheath of yellow, black, green, or red.  I think it is 22 gauge, but I can't remember.  Whatever it is, I have one 3' pair feeding my staging yard, all 30' of it!  I do have a tail light bulb wired in series before that pair of feeders, and when I get a staggered engine somewhere on the staging line (it has happened...), that light glows every time and takes care of any worries.

My bus comprises what would have been discarded braided speaker wire, fairly heavy stuff....maybe 14 gauge.

A good bus, lots of feeders, and keep them as short as practicable.  Just don't be pathological about it all. Smile

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Running Power Buss and Feeders at Front of Layout Q.
Posted by Capt. Grimek on Saturday, June 6, 2009 10:14 PM
I'm interested in possibly running my track power buss wires and feeders to/at the front edge of my walk around benchwork tops in order to make soldering and troubleshooting/repair easier. My question is how is the current drop in the longer feeders dealt with? Simply up the gauge? Anything else to consider when running all wiring to the layout front/facia? Tortoise switch machines, stationary decoder wiring, etc.? I've seen this mentioned by several posters but no how to primers... I'd use either 14 gauge buss wires and 20-22 gauge feeders if I don't bring all connections to the front of the bench top. What would you recommend for gauge sizes if I do? The layout is an oval single track HO layout with a large yard/loco servicing terminal on one side and an industrial switching area on the other. 8'X17'. Thanks!

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