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Add another DT400 OR a Zephyr for the Yard...

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:45 PM

Correct, a UT4/UT4R can ONLY run a train, and control functions. It cannot make or break consists, but can aquire one created by a DT400. It cannot operate stationary decoders, so if your turnouts are controlled via DCC< the UT4 cannot operate them. It cannot program anything. To accomplish these things you'd need a DT400, or a Zephyr.

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:51 PM
Thanks guys. I've just gotten back to answering the DCC threads I'd started or posted on after some family business got in the way of responding in a timely manner. I was initially considering a 2nd DT 400 in case of failure of my original unit, but also to give my wife or a guest more flexibility to make up and break up consists or add/subtract helpers in a couple of helper districts. (as opposed to hostling, etc.) Am I mistaken in thinking that a UT400R isn't going to allow her to do this, while I work the yard, etc.? Thanks. Hey John, looking forward to meeting you in person on the 3rd!

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Posted by cudaken on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:41 PM

 As far as the UT4 throttle, I bought one of them with the Zepher. Again Simon 1966 brought his UT4 over with is Zepher before I installed the items I bought. Maybe my thumbs are to big and eye sight to bad to enjoy using it. It was the other reason I went with the SEB. With the Zepher, UT4 and the UP5 it cost the same as the SEB. No brainier to me.

 Might look at the Digitrax PR 3 for programing as well. It is the reason I did not go with the Super Chief.

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Posted by johncolley on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:20 AM

Another item to consider, Captain. If you are going to have guest "Operators" it would be most logical then, to invest in a couple of UT4R throttles instead of the DT400R. Your guests do not need the programming ability of another 400. While it could be considered a backup if yours were to fail, the possibility is very low. On the other hand it would be difficult for two guests to use the 400, eh? While the Dispatcher, Yardmaster, Road Foreman of Engines, and Head Hosteler, would need the 400 for building or undoing consists. John

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Posted by simon1966 on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:22 AM

As Ken mentioned I have a Zephyr running as the command station with a DB150 as the slave booster.  As Randy concisely pointed out the 2.5A and the 5A then power isolated separate districts, rather than be cumulative.  The problem your friend mentioned may be that some DB150's had their A/B rail outputs reversed compared to the Zephyr.  Mine had this issue as was simply corrected by reversing the track bus wire from the DB150.  Otherwise it has all worked swimmingly well.  Since you already have the DCS100 I would be tempted to do the 2nd DT400 in your shoes.  The Z will most certainly work in your proposed application however.

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Posted by cudaken on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:26 PM

 I have used a Zepher and it was OK. Of you don't need the extra power I would go with the extra DT 400. Whole reason I went with the SEB was to get the DT 400. Simon 1966 uses a SEB with a Zepher, his Zepher is used in his yard.  

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:19 PM
Thanks Randy. That was as concise and layman-y as I could ask for! Many thanks.

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:16 PM

 The Zephyr would be configured as a booster only. The built in throttle is fully functional when doign that. The Zephyr's 2.5 amps would be isolated to the yard, and your DCS100 would power the rest of the layout. A UT4 cannot create and break consists - the Zephyr throttle can. A UT4 throttle can access a consist created on the Zephyr or DT400, so you could have your yard operator make up the consist and then hand it off to a road engineer using a UT4. There's no glitches I've heard of using a Zephyr as a booster with a DCS100 as the command station - just be sure the section powered by the Zephyr is completely isolated from the section powered byt eh DCS100. That means both rails gapped at both ends of the yard. ANd don;t forget a decent size ground wire between the ground terminal on the DCS100 and the ground terminal on the Zephyr. You should have no problems running this way.

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Add another DT400 OR a Zephyr for the Yard...
Posted by Capt. Grimek on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:06 PM
I've got an as yet uninstalled Digitrax Super Chief 5 amp system. I'm a newbie DCC user. I wanted to get a 2nd DT400 throttle (making the consisting, double heading and helper-(ing). easier for running two or three trains. (3 to 6 locos) It occured to me that getting a Zephyr will actually cost less than a 2nd DT400, give me 2.5 more amps and a separate power supply(booster) for the big yard. A friend mentioned that he thought he'd read about glitches or interference between a Zephyr and a Chief's power supply on some layout(s) and I wondered if this can occur and if going with another DT400 is simpler, using a module type AR or other to set up separate power districts. If I use a Zypher for the main yard, will the combined amps for the entire layout now be 7.5 amps (Chief=5 Zypher= 2.5) or will the Zypher's 2.5 amps be isolated/applied to the yard only? Finally, would I be able to consist/double head/helper with a UTR utility throttle for a 2nd or third train or will the Zephyr be more flexible? I'll never use the 5 amps the Chief has as it is. 8'X17' layout with 3 separate power districts. I could use some detail but in layman terms at this point, please. Thanks!

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