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Power Sub-Districts with PM42 and Double Gapping Track

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Power Sub-Districts with PM42 and Double Gapping Track
Posted by chinapig on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:36 PM

Hi Folks

 A couple of simple questions for which I can find nothing using the seach engine or the Digitrax manuals.

I understand that a power district is a section of the layout powered by a seperate booster with the track double gapped at each end of the district.

I also understand that a power district can be split into several power sub-districts using a PM42.

The question is, do the power sub-districts need to be double gapped at each end?

Also, is a reversing section set up on a PM42 automatically a separate power district as regards short circuit detection?

Thanks in advance.

 

Ted

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Posted by Osibisa on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:21 PM

HI Ted,

I use a PM52 in just that fashion, three "channels" are double gapped at both ends with the fourth as a reverse section also double gapped at both ends. Think that if you only gapped one end, you would really be extending the length of the adjacent section.

Bruce 

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:02 PM

Each power district has to be double gapped at both ends. A PM42 section set up as a reverser is ONLY a reverser, for short protection you have to chain it to another section - peopel sometimes have wierd problems when tyign one section of a PM42 to another, yo umight want to consider feedering the output of a PM42 breaker section into an AR1 for a reverse loop.

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Posted by chinapig on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:58 AM

Thanks for the replies.  It's pretty much as I thought, thankfully.  I probably try to link the reversing section up though another sub-section of the PM42 and if it doesn’t work try an AR1 or similar.

Cheers, Ted

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Posted by mfm37 on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:26 AM

 Ted,

It's the terminology that confuses. Sub-districts are the same as districts electrically. Double gap as a district.

Digitrax recommends not using one section of a PM 42 as a circuit breaker and another as an auto-reverser for the same sub-district. There were reports of unreliable operation when set up this way. It's better practice to have the auto-reverser on a different PM42 or use an AR1.

BTW, The above is Digitrax recommendation, there have been many reports that having having them on the same PM42 works.

Martin Myers 

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Posted by chinapig on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:50 AM

A further thought on the PM42.  I mainly get short circuits from driving locos into turnouts when they are set against it.  Everything shuts down and I’m unable to throw the turnout (which is operated through a DS64 stationary decoder) to the correct position easily.  I planned to use the PM42 to create 3 sub-districts leaving one PM42 output for the control of turnouts.  (It may be 2 sub-districts and one reversing loop – I don’t know yet).

 

Does the control of turnouts need a PM42 sub-district or should they be wired straight to the command station?  Is this a waste of one of the PM42 outputs?

 

Cheers, Ted

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:13 AM

 It's probably a waste of a PM42 section. And you quickly discovered why just using local track power is not a good thing for stationary decoders. The most common short is running a switch set against you, and if that same track power runs the switch motor - oops. I'd just run a power bus right fromt eh command station to the DS64's and save the PM42 section for another track power district.

 My plan, when I get space to build bigger than my Zephyr can handle, is to use the Zephyr's 2.5 amps to run the stationary decoders for Tortoise motors, and leave the track to a 5 amp booster or two.

                                         --Randy

 


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Visit my web site at www.readingeastpenn.com for construction updates, DCC Info, and more.

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:13 AM

 It's probably a waste of a PM42 section. And you quickly discovered why just using local track power is not a good thing for stationary decoders. The most common short is running a switch set against you, and if that same track power runs the switch motor - oops. I'd just run a power bus right fromt eh command station to the DS64's and save the PM42 section for another track power district.

 My plan, when I get space to build bigger than my Zephyr can handle, is to use the Zephyr's 2.5 amps to run the stationary decoders for Tortoise motors, and leave the track to a 5 amp booster or two.

                                         --Randy

 


Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's

 

Visit my web site at www.readingeastpenn.com for construction updates, DCC Info, and more.

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