Trains.com

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Wiring accessories question

1380 views
6 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    January 2008
  • From: Guelph, Ontario
  • 13 posts
Wiring accessories question
Posted by cctuna on Monday, August 4, 2008 11:34 PM
My Dad has an O scale layout and he is attempting to do a conversion of an old Lionel search/flood light from older 12v screw in flashlight bulbs, to 5w halogen push in bulbs. He removed the old sockts and retro fitted new push in type sockets and installed the halogen bulb(s). He hooked up the power from his track bus which has 15V AC and nothing. I believe that the halogen sockets require a transformer to provide 12V DC. Can anyone confirm or deny and if able to, give me the advice to fix this baby before my Dad drives me nuts? Please.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES; NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
  • Member since
    July 2003
  • From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
  • 13,757 posts
Posted by cacole on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 10:18 AM

Halogen bulbs have a high current draw.  They also come in various voltage ratings.  If the 5 Watt bulb won't light up on the power supply you have, it probably doesn't deliver enough amperage to light the bulb or the bulb requires a higher voltage.

Is this searchlight mounted on a flatcar?  A DC power source is not as good as AC for any type of filament bulb such as the Halogen you're trying to use.  The track buss should not be used for the bulb because that is a variable voltage and the bulb will draw too much current away from the locomotive(s).  The heavy current draw through the wheels and axles can cause them to overheat and fail.  The AC Accessory terminals on the power pack would be better, but are not going to be usable for the searchlight if it is on a piece of rolling stock.

Halogen bulbs, their sockets, and their wiring, also get very, very hot and will melt any plastic within an inch or so of their location, so a different type of bulb would be advisable.  You must also be extremely careful when handling a Halogen bulb and never touch it with bare skin.  The oils from your fingertips can cause the bulb to explode, so they should always be handled with gloves.  The likelihood of a Halogen bulb exploding close to your face and blinding you is too much to risk.

Read these Safety and Handling Precautions about Halogen bulbs from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halogen_lamp

  • Member since
    April 2004
  • From: Ontario Canada
  • 3,571 posts
Posted by Mark R. on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 10:42 AM

Very good advice !!!

I strongly recommend against trying to use the halogen bulb. It could create a potentially dangerous situation. Heat is the biggest factor - they get very HOT and could cause injury if someone touched it, or if it fell over and came in contact with anything remotely flammable. I've read cases where household halogen lights have actually ignited curtains that were too close to the lamp !!!

Best to err on the safe side.

Mark.

¡ uʍop ǝpısdn sı ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ 'dlǝɥ

  • Member since
    January 2008
  • From: Guelph, Ontario
  • 13 posts
Posted by cctuna on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:39 PM
Thanks for your advice. Just to clarify, the light fixture is an 18" tall tower with two beacon type plastic search lights mounted on top. The halogen bulbs are not bare bulbs. They are the cone shaped fixture type bulbs that are used in track lighting. I am not sure of the amperage rating. We tried to Magiver the fixture to accept these two bulbs thinking that simply wiring in the socket and plug er in would work. I suppose we could go back to incandescent bulbs easy enough. There are a few buildings on his layout that use LED's and my first thought was to convert the ligts to LED, but I wanted to be able to project the light in a beam rather than a flood. Thanks for you help!
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES; NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
  • Member since
    April 2004
  • From: Ontario Canada
  • 3,571 posts
Posted by Mark R. on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 1:37 PM

By all means, go with the LEDs. You can get the larger T-1-3/4 in gold, white and warm white to represent the "type" of lighting you want to represent. The high output LEDs are extremely bright .... they use them for flash-lights now !!! The best part is the fact they require minimal current to operate, generate no heat and will last forever !!!

If you find the focused lense on the LED produces too much of a pin-point beam, just lightly sand the end of the case .... that will disperse the light more evenly.

Mark.

¡ uʍop ǝpısdn sı ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ 'dlǝɥ

  • Member since
    July 2003
  • From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
  • 13,757 posts
Posted by cacole on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 5:35 PM

You can get super-bright, white LEDs in sizes up to 10mm now from a couple of sources:

http://www.moreleds.com

http://www.superbrightleds.com

 

  • Member since
    January 2008
  • From: Guelph, Ontario
  • 13 posts
Posted by cctuna on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 5:36 PM
Thanks for your input Mark. I will give that a try. I am learning on my Dad's layout while planning my own. He can pay for the mistakes! Thanks again.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES; NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Users Online

Search the Community

ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
Model Railroader Newsletter See all
Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox!