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DS64 small problem needs solved.

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DS64 small problem needs solved.
Posted by rockislandnut on Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:20 PM

I have the Digitrax DS64 hooked to four Atlas Snap Switches and powered via DCC track using the Zephyr ( HO scale ). Works beautiful except for approximately every 8 to 10 power ups when as the engines sounds come on, all four turnouts start snapping away throwing in the opposite direction. But the Zephyr displays switch 1 through 4 as untouched from last time I threw them ( It's a Gremlin I tell ya Banged Head [banghead] ). I just click whats displayed at the switch setting which will be the opposite throw that the turnout is now and all four turnouts are reset correctly.

Then like I said about the next eighth or tenth time the RR is powered up here we go again "SNAP-SNAP-SNAP-Snap". Good thing I'm not in the habit of parking any of the train/trains on a turnout.Big Smile [:D] I gotta catch this Gremlin he's driving me up a wall. Confused [%-)]

Any one know what may cause this? 

Wadda ya mean I'm old ? Just because I remember gasoline at 9 cents a gallon and those big coal burning steamers.

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Posted by jbinkley60 on Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:36 PM
 rockislandnut wrote:

I have the Digitrax DS64 hooked to four Atlas Snap Switches and powered via DCC track using the Zephyr ( HO scale ). Works beautiful except for approximately every 8 to 10 power ups when as the engines sounds come on, all four turnouts start snapping away throwing in the opposite direction. But the Zephyr displays switch 1 through 4 as untouched from last time I threw them ( It's a Gremlin I tell ya Banged Head [banghead] ). I just click whats displayed at the switch setting which will be the opposite throw that the turnout is now and all four turnouts are reset correctly.

Then like I said about the next eighth or tenth time the RR is powered up here we go again "SNAP-SNAP-SNAP-Snap". Good thing I'm not in the habit of parking any of the train/trains on a turnout.Big Smile [:D] I gotta catch this Gremlin he's driving me up a wall. Confused [%-)]

Any one know what may cause this? 

Are you powering the DS64 from 12V or from the track power ?  I recommend 12V power, especially for solenoid switch motors.  Another thing to check is OpSw6.  Make sure it is thrown to restore the turnouts to their last condition before powerdown.  (page 12 of the manual).

 

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Posted by ereimer on Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:50 PM
i also read the digitrax yahoo group , and powering DS64's from track power always leads to problems .
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Posted by UpNorth on Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:51 AM

Agree with what is said.  Ground loop issues can occure when DS54, DS64 are using DCC track for power.

Also your Zephyr might have a few OPSW settings that can cause issues, OPSW 28 thru 46. Read your Zephyr manual. Too long to type it all out here. 

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Posted by rockislandnut on Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:34 PM

Thanks guys. Thumbs Up [tup]

I've also heard that before about the track power sometimes messing up the DS64 but I've been putting up with this for almost a year now. Time to change to an external 12 volt power supply and tomorrow ( Mon ) it will be done.

 

Again, thanks. Big Smile [:D]

Wadda ya mean I'm old ? Just because I remember gasoline at 9 cents a gallon and those big coal burning steamers.

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Posted by jbinkley60 on Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:57 PM
 rockislandnut wrote:

Thanks guys. Thumbs Up [tup]

I've also heard that before about the track power sometimes messing up the DS64 but I've been putting up with this for almost a year now. Time to change to an external 12 volt power supply and tomorrow ( Mon ) it will be done.

Again, thanks. Big Smile [:D]

One of the main issues about using track power is the short circuit protection. When it kicks in (and it will) it will remove power to the DS64.  In your case it sounds like the sound locomotive are dragging down the track voltage when they come on.  The QSI units have large capacitors and when they come on they will look like a dead short for an instant to the Zeyphr and anything using track voltage.  Likewise if you hit a turnout set in the wrong direction and cause a short on the track, then you lose track pwoer and can't change it back with the DS64.  Let's see if the 12V supply fixes the issue.

 

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Posted by farfull on Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:54 PM

I run my ds64's with an independant 12v power source and still have the turnouts(occasionally)move to the opposite position on power up

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Posted by jbinkley60 on Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:43 PM

 

I suggest staggering the values on OpSw 8 across your DS64s so that all don't power up at once, especially if you are powering snap switches.  That might help. I have 7 DS64s and all Tortoise switches with an external 3A 12V power supply (for this and some other accessories).  I've never had this issue.

 

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Posted by rbettig on Monday, October 19, 2009 10:41 AM

After you installed the new power,  don't forget to Throw the OpSw 6 as suggested by Engineer Jeff,

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