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QSI upgrade for a Lionel HO Challenger

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Posted by cacole on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:44 PM

The two biggest changes I noticed with the upgrade microchip are the improved slow speed control and better whistle sound.  The engine will now start to move on speed step 1 of 128, and the whistle is not as shrill and irritating as it was previously. With the original microchip, I had to turn the whistle volume rather low to keep it from sounding too raspy.  I have it turned back up now and the sound is much better.

One strange change that I have not been able to figure out yet is with the backup light.  With the previous microchip, a red light on the upper left corner of the tender lit up when the locomotive was placed into reverse; now the white backup light comes on. None of this is explained in the documentation that came with the engine or in the QSI Technical Reference Manual, but it probably has something to do with a CV setting.

I removed the front weight from the tender a couple of years ago after reading the tip on Tony's web site, but I didn't put any cotton in the tender.  With the new microchip, you'll probably need to remove the cotton if you used it.

I lubricated all moving parts with Dexron III Automatic Transmission FLuid while I had it on the workbench.  Dexron is about all I use for all lubrication tasks now where a light weight oil is called for.

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Posted by selector on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:16 AM
Doug, I would encourage you to try auto transmission fluid some time for lubing the journals and valve gear/rods assemblies.  Dextron III is recommended by those in the know, and it is what I use.  I have used it exclusively for over two years now, and on several brand new engines as their first lube from me.  So far, I can't say it was a regrettable decision.  My engines all run like tops.
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Posted by challenger3980 on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:58 AM

Hi Crandell,

  Another bit of advice, when You remove the cover on the bottom, only remove one axle at a time and be careful to put it back in the same way it came out. If You turn an axle end for end you will end up getting a short. A LITTLE dab of oil on each side of the journal will do wonders. I beleive that the spring in the middle of the journal surface is just for electrical contact, not for any suspesion purposes, the axles just ride on that plastic surface, which is why some will squeak to high heaven when dry.

                                                             Doug

May your flanges always stay BETWEEN the rails

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Posted by selector on Monday, May 19, 2008 10:59 AM

Doug, you make a good point, and one that I follow with each engine I purchase.  It was just that, in this case, the fellow supplying his impression for the Tony's readers' feedback/reviews section felt that the weight was unnecessary due to the already heavy diecast construction.  I didn't know the difference, but I do agree in retrospect.  I just performed all the mods he suggested thinking he probably was onto an improvement in the model.  I have the weight still, and will probably shape it and add it to something else that needs it.  Come to think of it, the Allegheny from Rivarossi could use that up front in the tender.  I'll see about it.

The Lionel is a most reliable engine, smooth as you say, and is a joy. 

-Crandell

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Posted by challenger3980 on Monday, May 19, 2008 1:48 AM

Hi, a minor hijack of this thread, If you are removing the lead weight out of the tender to increase it's pulling capacity, I have another suggestion for you. Again, with the tender, remove the cover over the 5 axle rigid bed, and give each journal a small drop of oil, I use either Labelle 102 or 107, I like the 102 better, but either will make a noticeable improvement. I did my first one just to quiet down the squeaking that many have new, due to these journals being dry.

  I have a VERY LARGE collection of the Lionel HO Challengers, they are my all time Favorite HO Locomotive. I do this to each one before it ever touches track now. They could use traction tires to improve pulling capacity, but they are VERY SMOOOOTH runners, when properly oiled and broken in.

                            Click pic to Enlarge.

                             Doug

May your flanges always stay BETWEEN the rails

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Posted by selector on Saturday, May 17, 2008 12:38 AM

Chuck, would you please let us know your impressions once you have played with it for a bit?

Also, did you read the review and tips at Tony's about this engine?  Did you follow up?  I did remove the rather heavy block weight up front of the tender and I did add cotton to the tender to try to improve the sound.  I can't really say it made a heck of a lot of difference, but I haven't bothered to undo it all, either.

-Crandell

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Posted by cacole on Friday, May 16, 2008 8:52 PM
Thanks for the upgrade chip information.  I have ordered one from Litchfield Station.
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Posted by GTX765 on Friday, May 16, 2008 1:50 AM

You can get it at Tony's Trains or where ever and the number is:

Quantum Upgrade Chip -LIO - ho402 - Challenger

The LIO is for lionel, its an easy install, 4 screws on the tender then extract the old chip then add the new. You will put it on the track and it will toot three times or yell "reset" in voice mode.

 

http://www.tonystrains.com/products/qsi_solutions_main.htm

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Posted by cacole on Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:19 AM
Which upgrade chip did you use for the Lionel Challenger?  I have one but the QSI Solutions web site does not even list the Lionel as one of the available upgrades.
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QSI upgrade for a Lionel HO Challenger
Posted by GTX765 on Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:25 AM
I decided to upgrade my HO lionel with a new QSI chip upgrade. I was worried at first but once I installed it the change was noticed as soon as it powered up! The engine crawls very smooth and has new sounds when the engine begins to move. Also when you program the engine in OPS mode it well voice back the CV and the change you have made to the engine. This engine came out in 2002 and now its like having a new engine all over again. All at the cost of $30. Just wanted to share.

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