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Feeders To The Frog?????

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Feeders To The Frog?????
Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:39 PM

I have Walthers DCC friendly turnouts and have bought a number of Frog Juicers. Where is the preferred spot to solder the feeder to the frog? I did a Google search and could not get a clear explanation to my question. So as always I am asking the experts here. A photo would be great, if you have one.

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Posted by tstage on Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:58 PM

Brent,

Perhaps this will help: http://www.tamvalleydepot.com/support/frogjuicers.html

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Posted by ba&prr on Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:11 PM

According to the Walthers web site, there is a connection on the turnout to change the frog from insulated to live. It's probably a wire on the under side of the frog . Did any instuctions come with the turn out?  Joe

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Posted by locoi1sa on Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:50 PM

Brent.

 Are you sure you need them? How long is the frog?

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:24 PM

Feeding the Frog:

Time's fun when you are having flies.

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Posted by Motley on Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:50 PM

BroadwayLion

Feeding the Frog:

Time's fun when you are having flies.

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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:29 PM

 Depends on the turnout. Atlas COde 83 have a hole next to the frog, but don;t try to solder a wire there, the metal they use is very hard to solder, and you'll more than likely end up melting the ties holding the frog in place. What I do is thread in a brass screw, I think it's a 1-72. It self-taps easily enough, so I didn;t bother tapping. I use a short screw, thread it in from underneath (before I lay the turnout..so if you've already got the track down, from the top is the only way) and then solder my feeder wire to the brass screw, which solders easily.

 Apparantly if you call Atlas you cna get just the hardware that comes witht he Deluxe Undertable Switch Machine, which includes screws, nuts, and brass bar which in the switch machine kit is used to connect the frog to the pwoer routing contacts. This gets attached to the hole in the frog and then you can solder wires to either the screw, nut, or brass bar.

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:42 PM

Thanks everyone.

Pete I have a Bachmann Spectrum 4-4-0 (first of many smaller steamers, I hope) that won't clear my #8 & #10 turnouts. Anything smaller and it sails right through. The Frog Juicer seems like a good way to resolve the situation at this point in time.

I found one photo and answer on a Yahoo forum that showed the feeder soldered to the wing rail on the Walthers T/O. Will this work? Do I check with an Ohm Meter to see if they are connected? I would rather not lift a T/O  for a look see if I don't have to.

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Posted by peahrens on Friday, December 28, 2012 9:43 AM

I don't have a photo but this year I used 18 or so Walthers Shinohara code 83 DCC friendly turnouts on my new layout.  New to DCC, I decided to power all frogs, from #5s to curved 7-1/2s.  Mine are powered via the Tortoise aux contacts.  I used a hobby knife to cut out part of the wide plastic under the frog.  It took several swipes of the knife, then was able to pop or pry it off.  It needed some Dremel wire brushing before soldering on a 22 gage feeder wire.  When installing the turnout over cork roadbed, I marked the location and drilled a generous (1/4") hole for this and a 3/8" hole for the throwbar Tortoise wire. 

After the fact, I'd argue powering the frogs (or at least add the wire to facilitate later powering) with installation is not that much extra work.  With the Tortoise having the aux contacts, that helps.  I didn't investigate the juicer but understand many like those as well. 

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Posted by wp8thsub on Friday, December 28, 2012 10:13 AM

BATMAN
I have Walthers DCC friendly turnouts and have bought a number of Frog Juicers. Where is the preferred spot to solder the feeder to the frog?

I *THINK* the frog assembly is electrically continuous, so if you solder a feeder to the wing rail it will power the entire frog.  The assemblies used to be soldered together inside the plastic ties on the old Shinohara/Walthers turnouts, as I've used salvaged frogs from a couple of those on handlaid turnouts in the past, and I could clearly see they were soldered around the base of the rail once the plastic ties were removed. 

Assuming the current product uses the same basic assembly doesn't necessarily make it so, so I'd be sure to check your examples for continuity with a meter.  If the wing rails aren't connected electrically, there's still enough to the frog point where you could solder a feeder to one of the frog point rails, but using the wing rail would probably be easier.  You shouldn't have to pull up any track to accomplish this.

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, December 28, 2012 10:27 AM

rrinker
Atlas COde 83 have a hole next to the frog, but don;t try to solder a wire there, the metal they use is very hard to solder,

Hi Randy,

I've had some of those Atlas turnouts with the zinc potmetal frogs. Someone at Atlas must be paying attention since the turnouts I bought about two years ago have a bronze or copper alloy tab routed under the tie and it is a breeze to solder a feeder wire to. I have a hex frog juicer feeding these and it makes for flawless continuity through the frog.

I've used the Tortoise aux contacts on some of my Shinohara power routing (un-DCC friendly) and unless you have the points timed exactly with the electrical feed from the aux contact I'd get a breif short, enough to make all the engines in that district hiccup, even after prying out the bronze contact strip under the throwbar.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, December 28, 2012 11:20 AM

 Which size is that? My #4's are fairly new and still do it the old way. Pictures show the #8's with the side tab like yours, maybe the new #6's, but the 4's still show with the hole right next to the frog like always.

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, December 28, 2012 12:08 PM

Oh, this is a #8. I haven't seen a #4 so maybe Atlas hasn't modified that one yet. Back to the brass screw I guess?

Take care, Ed

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