PRR logos

[teedoff86599]

Could anyone possibly identify what PRR equipment this large red circle keystone would have been used on? TY Steve  

[dehusman]

dknelson

The book "The Cars of the Pennsylvania Railroad" (Wayner Publications, undated, softcover) shows a Pennsylvania "Union Line" wood boxcar with archbar trucks and truss rods, 1899, with a five point star in a circle as the herald.

But that's not a PRR car per se, that's a "Union Line" car.  Line service were specific cars in specific service, so other railroads that particiapted in the "Union Line" would have the same herald on their car with their name on it.  Some lines had dozens of participating roads and the PRR participated in several different lines:  Union Line, Anchor Line, Green Line, Empire Line, Canada Southern Line and Midland Line.  

[dknelson]

gmpullman

Dusting off an old thread  Generally, prior to 1930 the Pennsy didn't use a herald at all.

Well ... yes and no.  The book "The Cars of the Pennsylvania Railroad" (Wayner Publications, undated, softcover) shows a Pennsylvania "Union Line" wood boxcar with archbar trucks and truss rods, 1899, with a five point star in a circle as the herald.  A 1912 wood boxcar with archbar trucks but a steel underframe and an odd bullseye" concentric circle steel end has an anchor herald with the phrase "Anchor Line."  

Dave Nelson

[gmpullman]

Dusting off an old thread 

Generally, prior to 1930 the Pennsy didn't use a herald at all.

From sometime in 1930 to about 1954 the "Circle Keystone" was common. Feb 1954 June 1961 the Shadow Keystone was in vogue and from Summer of 1961 up to the Penn-Central merger it was the plain Keystone.

Many variables were encountered, though. Do you have a specific car in mind?

Good Luck, Ed

[teedoff86599]

Does anyone know what PRR used as a logo on freight cars  prior to 1930 ?

[bsteel4065]

ndsprr is right.... It's not as if every freight car, cabin car and everything else with a logo on suddenly changed overnight. It took a huge amount of time. Also freight cars could be on 'foreign roads' and everywhere. So older logos would have been around a long, long time after the declaration of change date.

[pcarrell]

I don't know about all of them, but I can guarentee that I know what year this one was in use......

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[ndbprr]

You are wrong and you aren't wrong. As far as different divisions having different paint schemes absolutely not. Corporate dictated the paint scheme and the drawings show effective dates. However when you own ten percent of all cars in the country it is going to take awhile to change them all. There are still some PRR cars floating around almost forty years after the Penn Central debaucle followed by CR and its break up.

[tcwright973]

I might be wrong about this, but didn't different divisions use different logos and lettering schemes at the same time.
Tom

[Anonymous]

The heralds can overlap quite a bit. I remember seeing CK heralds in the early 1960's back when I was a young railfan in the Baltimore area.

Roger

[bsteel4065]

No worries............. found it!
For anyone else out there, here you are!

Circle Keystone Lettering was applied starting in Jan 1930

Shadow Keystone lettering was applied starting in June 1954

Plain Keystone (black car) was applied starting in July 1956

PRR Initials only started in early 1960's

[bsteel4065]

Hi
This is probably a question asked a million time before, so apologies before I start!
PRR emblems, can someone please tell me the years in which the various PRR emblems were in operation? Circle Keystone, Shadow Keystone, Plain Keystone... etc, etc.
I'm looking for 1953 to 1955 operation, by the way.
Thanks in advance.
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