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Jacktal
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October 2002
From: City of Québec,Canada
1,258 posts
About wooden trestles...
Posted by
Jacktal
on Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:00 PM
I'm planning my future layout and would love to include some interesting elements to it,one being a wooden trestle bridge which I find particularly attractive.However,even if I occasionally run a few steamers,the bulk of my roster are modern diesels.Being my layout,I can indeed run anything I wi***o whatever the scenery but still,I'm curious.
Are there any wooden trestles still in service or have they all been torn down to be replaced by more modern structures?Considering there probably isn't any still used,are there any still standing up and preserved as a historic structure?When did steel trestles start replacing this type of construction?
I've seen pictures of wooden trestles,some being very impressive,but never seen any that featured double tracks.Were there any built?
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steamaddict
Member since
June 2005
14 posts
Posted by
steamaddict
on Saturday, March 18, 2006 5:28 PM
I am in Queensland, Australia and we definately have some wooden trestles still in service on the mainline even with electrified high speed passenger trains going over them (QR's electric and diesel Tilt trains). Most of them have admittedly been reinforced with concrete piers in between the original timber piles.
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BR60103
Member since
January 2001
From: Guelph, Ont.
1,476 posts
Posted by
BR60103
on Saturday, March 18, 2006 8:04 PM
There is a wooden trestle still in use in the historic section of Harper's Ferry W.Va.
It's on a spur that runs down between the town and the Shennandoah river to a quarry.
I have a slide of it from a few years ago when one of the bents was being replaced -- the new bent propped against the side of the trestle. Incidently, this trestle is over dry land.
--David
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pcarrell
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February 2005
From: In the State of insanity!
7,982 posts
Posted by
pcarrell
on Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:33 AM
Most of the big trestles that are left are not in use for trains anymore, though a couple are used as walking pathes. Sadly though, most are gone. The low pile trestle is another story though. They are scattered everywhere, but aren't the most popular. I don't know of any new ones being built in the last 20 or 30 years, just maintaining the old ones.
This is one that is abandoned obviously, buy this is the type you see more often nowadays (this size or lower);
Now to give you an idea, this is probably about 12 to 14 feet tall.
This one is just around the corner from my house and is pretty typical of the type still in use, although in a bit better condition.
Philip
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markpierce
Member since
April 2003
From: Martinez, CA
5,440 posts
Posted by
markpierce
on Sunday, March 19, 2006 3:43 PM
Out here in central California, contemporary wooden trestles are usually of two general types. (1) Sturdy,
short
(both height and length) types over small gulches, so they are really just "open" culverts. (2) On secondary lines, short trestles leading up to steel truss bridges crossing small rivers where there are gentle slopes or flood plains on the sides of the river. The only tall wooded trestle I saw here was on a narrow-gauge tourist line, but that burned down some years ago.
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wjstix
Member since
February 2002
From: Mpls/St.Paul
13,892 posts
Posted by
wjstix
on Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:31 PM
BN/BNSF ore trains used the Mud Lake wood trestle in northern Minnesota until it was replaced with a concrete version in 2000 or 2001.
Stix
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Jetrock
Member since
August 2003
From: Midtown Sacramento
3,340 posts
Posted by
Jetrock
on Monday, March 20, 2006 1:28 PM
Wooden trestles are still found in spots in Sacramento, where frequent flooding means that large stretches of track have to be elevated to avoid inundation. Some have been replaced with steel and concrete trestles, but other bits are still wooden. Many are like the kind markpierce mentions above. One exception is the Woodland Branch, several miles of short (10-15 foot) wooden trestle from Woodland to the Sacramento River. The area floods every year, and has been in operation since around 1910 when the Northern Electric first ran passengers from Sacramento to Woodland. Until recently it was operated by the Yolo Short Line, the latest owner is the Sierra Railroad. A scenic line is operated over the trestle but it also carries commercial freight.
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Anonymous
Member since
April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:38 PM
In Davenport, Iowa there is an incredibly beautiful wood stucture that includes a trestle over the main road that paralells the river. it was probably a former Rock Island line, and I have seen in recent years UP, BN, and CP on it. This comes up from just above river level to probably 50 feet. Just a truly gorgeous structure. I intend to include something similar in my future layout.
Tom
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JDJONES45
Member since
May 2005
2 posts
Posted by
JDJONES45
on Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:09 PM
CSX still has numerous timber trestles on heavy tonnage mainlines, including at least 4 on the Spartanburg Sub between Spartanburg and Greenwood, SC. Also, NS has a trestle at King's Creek that I believe is the highest timber trestle east of the Miss. It now serves an industry on the stub end of a branch line.
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oldyardgoat
Member since
November 2004
75 posts
Posted by
oldyardgoat
on Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:17 PM
I can vouch for the wooden trestle across the Sacramento River flood plain. There is a local road that parallel's it across the plain (which is closed when flooded, access available off parallel I-5). I guess the 'why' of the existance of this 2-mile structure has been answered above. Any where else in California, especially Southern Cailf., anything more than twenty years old is out of code, illegal, or otherwise doomed for replacement. It's th price of business in Calitigationia.
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cacole
Member since
July 2003
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
13,757 posts
Posted by
cacole
on Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:33 PM
Just last month, a 700-foot long single-track wooden trestle near Yuma, Arizona, that had been built in the latter part of the 1800s caught fire and closed the Union Pacific Sunset Route for several days while a shoo-fly was installed. The UP then poured a new double-track concrete trestle to replace the burned-out one. There are still many wooden trestles in use in Arizona on the UP Sunset Route that they inherited from the Southern Pacific.
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coldguy
Member since
August 2005
From: Milwaukee, WI
35 posts
Posted by
coldguy
on Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:54 PM
Here in Milwaukee there is a wooden trestle about 500' to 700' long to bring the interchange track from CP's mainline down from a bridge crossing over KK ave. to the surrounding grade to Jone's Island and the ports. I just saw some MOW activity on it today.
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davegp7
Member since
April 2005
4 posts
Posted by
davegp7
on Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:23 PM
There is at least two on the Santa Cruz branch of the old SP (now operated by the Borg) in cental Calif.
40' to 50' tall and 2 to 3 times as long, or longer.
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rlake
Member since
July 2004
2 posts
Posted by
rlake
on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:33 AM
There is a beauty of a wooden trestle in Arkansas. It is located just south of the town of Glenwood. I know it is still in use by the shortline rr that serves the lumber mill and the particle plant just north of Glenwood. I plan to have this trestle on my layout since this is the area of Arkansas I am modeling.
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rlake
Member since
July 2004
2 posts
Posted by
rlake
on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:35 AM
There is a beauty of a wooden trestle in Arkansas. It is located just south of the town of Glenwood. I know it is still in use by the shortline rr that serves the lumber mill and the particle plant just north of Glenwood. I plan to have this trestle on my layout since this is the area of Arkansas I am modeling.
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Anonymous
Member since
April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Friday, March 24, 2006 10:08 AM
There is a terrific, tall, long woden trestle in Bellevue, WA that is adjacent to I-405. You can't miss seeing it if you are among the 10s of thousands of commuters who drive by it daily.
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wjstix
Member since
February 2002
From: Mpls/St.Paul
13,892 posts
Posted by
wjstix
on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:18 AM
Went by this the other day, I believe the old Milwaukee Road wood trestle in St. Paul leading to the Ford plant is still used by Canadian Pacific.
Stix
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Anonymous
Member since
April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:19 AM
Adding on to dtrampeneau's post, here's a link to the Spirit of Washington Dinner Train's web site, which rolls across the Wilburton Trestle in Bellevue, WA. If you take the tour, there's a pretty cool shot of the train rolling across the trestle. I've been across it at the restricted speed of 10 m.p.h.
http://www.spiritofwashingtondinnertrain.com/tour.cfm
Currently, this is an active BNSF branch that sees a few trains a day (mostly Boeing-generated traffic), and the Dinner Train uses it in the evening and on weekends. BNSF is talking to King County about selling it, though, and its future is a little uncertain.
--kd
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Anonymous
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April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Friday, March 24, 2006 1:36 PM
ther is a fairly high trestle bridge on the BNsf near princeton il, it can be seen from Inter state 80 just west of princeton on the south side of the interstate
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JanekKoz
Member since
June 2003
From: KW
10 posts
Posted by
JanekKoz
on Friday, March 24, 2006 1:41 PM
There are still many wooden railroad trestles around and contractors that repair them (and at times build new). Osmose is one that advertises a lot. Check out: http://www.osmose.com/railroad/. Contact them and they may be able to give you a lot of great info.
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daveheath
Member since
November 2002
From: Alberta, Canada
1 posts
Posted by
daveheath
on Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:16 PM
Rochefort Bridge, near Mayerthorpe on CN's Sangudo subdivision, at 850m in length (just over half a mile) claims to be the longest wooden trestle in North America. It crosses a highway and the Paddle River at a maximum height of 30m (about 100').
If anyone would like a picture of it, e-mail me and I'll oblige.
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pcarrell
Member since
February 2005
From: In the State of insanity!
7,982 posts
Posted by
pcarrell
on Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:22 PM
Guess maybe there's more of these things around then I thought.
Philip
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piperroad
Member since
January 2002
8 posts
Posted by
piperroad
on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:35 PM
The Wilburton Trestle is really spectacular. Before the current road under it was built the section with the concrete piers was also wood. That section was removed and piers istalled to hold the steel bridge to span the wider roadway. Originally the road passed under the trestle near the south end. As the area grew the low, narrow passage was no longer adequate for the traffic. (I have pics of it somewhere but who knows where.)
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