pere marquette

[Anonymous]

could anyone help me please
i would like to model the pere marquette in n gauge and already have an e7a (life like 7009) c&o 'pm' 95 loco but have no idea on what size passenger cars were hauled by this loco, the paint schemes, heavy weight or streamliners.
i am also under the impression that micro-scale do decals
but so far all i have found on the 'net' isvery little outside of the pmhs

any help would be greatly appreciated
kindest regards from australia

Pete B

[jsoderq]

Don't know how much time and money you want to spend, but there is a book specifically on the PM passenger trains in the modern era. There is also a book on PM passenger cars ($$). I doubt you will find much in n scale as there isn't much even in HO.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Pere Marquette's E7A's operated primarily with short streamliners bought for the Detroit-Grand Rapids and Grand Rapids-Chicago runs, no through Detroit-Chicago service. PM had only a handful of other diesels (BL2's and some EMD switchers) before being absorbed by C&O in about 1948.

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[Anonymous]

Check out the Pere Marquette Historical Society on the web. You can get there through Google or any other search engine. You can also get info from the C&O Historical Society but it takes a bit more research since the C&O was a much bigger road and covered a lot more territory.

Jimbo

[Anonymous]

thanks everyone
have just purchased a HO life like proto 2000 emd e7 in pm #95 for $81.00 aust($70.00us)
and 4 HO proto 2000heritage usra 0-8-0 pm #9**4-9 all BRAND spanking new and never run from a closeout deal in newcastle aust
the steamers were bought for $110.00 each
now will the athearn ho streamliners look like the pair market streamliners or is there somthing that looks more prototypical and also the athearn ho heavyweights are they anygood
my ngauge if i go ahead will be 19metres x 31metres (58foot x 100 foot)
club house annex or club house ho 300foot x 150foot
club commitee will have final say as we are all fed up with th typical up, atsf, bn(bnsf), etc
so pm it is aside from our own unique australian gear
regads pete b

[rolleiman]

QUOTE: Originally posted by pete brand

thanks everyone......
my ngauge if i go ahead will be 19metres x 31metres (58foot x 100 foot)
club house annex or club house ho 300foot x 150foot

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Pere Marquette was part owner of Detroit's Fort Street Union Depot (along with the Wabash and Pennsylvania RRs).. You can find a trainload if information, including track diagrams here..

http://atdetroit.net/forum/messages/5/54651.html?1143128376

Be sure to check out the archived threads too..

Also,

http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/Railroads/PereMarquette/PereMarquetteHomePage.htm

and if you happen to creep into the C&O days..

http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/Railroads/C&O/Chesapeake&OhioRailroad.htm

Enjoy..

[fmilhaupt]

Pete-

Which cars you use will depend quite a bit on which approximate year you're interested in modeling, and whether you have a particular interest in any part of the PM.

While there have been some dead-on accurate kits for modeling the PM's streamlined passenger cars in HO (from NKP Car Co), they have not been duplicated in N scale. The only car that is a good match is the old North American Limited C&O/D&RGW/D&H diner kit, which consists of plated brass car sides and a plastic roof, floor and ends. Unfortunately, it is out of production, but as recently as yesterday, there were two of those kits up for grabs on eBay. They each went for about $US30.

If you push ahead to the years following the PM-C&O merger, the dominant coach was the C&O's distinctive streamlined 52-seat Pullman-Standard coach. Again, one is currently available in HO, but not in N. HOWEVER, Rowa/MRC imported plastic models of these coaches in C&O paint in N scale in the early 1970s, and the tooling was used by Con-Cor for many years as well, up until the late 1980s, I think. They show up from time to time on eBay as well, though often in one of the other non-C&O paint schemes. They can be repainted, however.

South Park Hobbies also made a kit for the C&O coach in N scale. It too is discontinued, but shows up on eBay from time to time. The same manufacturer made a kit for C&O lunch counter/bar-lounge #1903 "Chessie Club", which was used on the former PM lines for many years.

On the heavyweight front, the former Lima/Rivarossi heavyweight coach is a decent match for one group of the PM's heavyweight coaches. The same company made a heavyweight 12-section 1-drawing room Pullman that is a good match for sleepers "McClenny" and "Orange Lake", which were assigned to the PM for many years.

I've begun to dabble in N scale in recent months and find that modeling heavyweight passenger trains even vaguely accurately can be an exercise in frustration as there are very few types of heavyweight passenger car out in plastic in N. PM modelers have pretty much the same problem as any other N scaler who isn't modeling the Santa Fe.

I am unaware of any decals existing in N scale for PM streamlined passenger cars. There is a set for the PM's heavyweight passenger cars on the way, however. It'll be announced along with a few other N scale decal sets at http://www.wyomingyard.com/decals within the next two weeks.

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Now in HO, there are a lot more options. I publish a 30-page listing of locomotives, cars and structures that are appropriate for the PM. Contact me directly for information on getting a copy.

For passenger cars, the Athearn cars aren't terribly close.

The Walthers C&O streamlined 52-seat Pullman-Standard coach is the most useful RTR model out there for modeling the former PM from 1950 on. I just finished modifying one into one of the coach-diners that the C&O built in 1955 and used in Michigan behind ex-PM E7As.

The Pullman-Standard streamlined baggage car that Walthers is scheduled to release near the end of this year IS a Pere Marquette prototype, though it'll be available in C&O paint, not PM.

NKP Car Co brought out etched brass sides for the entire 1947 "Pere Marquette" streamliner. The full sets of sides are gone, but they still list the sides for the coach (in its ever-so-slightly different form as used when sold to the C&EI and the Western Maryland). You can see it at http://www.nkpcarco.com. The sides are designed to fit a Train Station Products core kit.

Sides for the diner and for other cars the C&O used on the former PM lines are available in computer-cut plastic from Union Station Products (http://www.unionstationproducts.com. The sets that are most useful are the diner (D&RGW set #7608), baggage car (D&RGW set #7609) and the lunch counter/bar-lounge car (C&O set #7596). These ought to fit onto the Walthers Pullman-Standard 52-seat coach body and frame as a replacement for the coach sides. Snap off the Walthers sides, then glue on the Union Station Products sides.

Branchline makes an accurate scale-length heavyweight coach, already lettered for the PM. It's a fairly involved kit, but turns out a fantastic model. Their 6-bedroom, 3-drawing room sleeper is appropriate for a number of cars assigned to service on the PM's "Resort Special."

The venerable 70-foot Rivarossi baggage/RPO is reasonably close for a few of the PM's and C&O's heavyweight baggage-post office cars. As in N scale, the Rivarossi/AHM 12-1 Pullman sleeper matches a pair of cars assigned to the PM.

There's enough to modeling the PM to have kept me busy with articles on modeling some aspect of the PM in nearly every issue of the PMHS newsletter "PM Tracks" for the last ten years.

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-Fritz Milhaupt
Web Guy and Modeling Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society, Inc.
http://www.pmhistsoc.org

[PennsyHoosier]

Thanks for a GREAT post, Fritz!

[emdgp92]

Keep in mind too, that there's a PM switcher at the B&O museum. A few photos of it, and other PM locomotives are over here: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-p/misc-p.html

You'll have to scroll down about halfway.