Norfolk & Western

[emdgp92]

I found these:

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=48191
http://paintshop.railfan.net/images/moldover/nw_jawn.html

[BigJim]

Rod,
If you are interested in Jawn Henry, you need to get the book "Rails Remembered Vol.4" by Louis Newton. The entire book is about it's trials and tribulations.
"Rails Remembered Vol.3" concentrates on normal N&W steam locos.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Jawn Henry (N&W 2300) was a steam-turbine electric which operated from about 1953 to 1957. It was equipped with a water-tube boiler and was schematically similar to a diesel-electric with a 4500 HP steam-turbine instead of a diesel engine. It was not considered a success, brought down by its complexities.

[Anonymous]

you know jim, the more you delve, the more you realise, just how ignorant you are.
( meaning myself ).
i have never heard of jawn henry. was she a success?
rod.

[BigJim]

QUOTE: have reached 2200 in the steam series, must be the end of n& w steam numbering.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean but there was a #2300. Most people refer to it as "Jawn Henry". It was a coal fired steam turbine/electric.

[Anonymous]

i would like to thank you all, for the trouble you have taken, in helping me out.
i have reached 2200 in the steam series, must be the end of n& w steam numbering.
rod.

[Anonymous]

thanks jim, i have just joined. cant wait to get my package from them.
i will have to look them up.
be nice to chat this side of the pond, as well as your own.
cheers jim.
rod.

[BigJim]

Rod,
There are at least a couple of N&WHS members that live on your side of the pond.

[Anonymous]

many thanks for the information jim.
i will get on it right away.
have a nice day.

rod.

[BigJim]

Rod,
Do a search for N&W Giant of Steam by Lewis Jeffries. A new revised edition has just been released. Better yet, go to; www.nwhs.org
Then go to the Concession link. You should be able to find anything that is still in print. While you are there, why not join?
The N&W did not own any;
2-10-0
2-10-2
2-10-4
2-8-2
2-8-4

[Anonymous]

are there any books published about n & w steam locos.
if so can they be got in the uk.
while on the subject of steam locos, did the n & w ever own the following types.
4-8-2.
2-10-0.
2-10-2.
2-10-4.
2-8-0.
2-8-2.
2-8-4.
sorry to keep pestering you guys.
rod.

[BigJim]

Keep in mind that single units will be on switchers at outlying points. When they go one way short hood they have to come back long hood as there are no wyes to turn them on.

Steam on turnaround jobs operatedthesame way.Usually they would be backward leaving the terminal so that they would be heading forward coming into the terminal.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BigJim

QUOTE: I can't recall ever seeing a photo of the GE's running long hood first.

OH, but they did!!! And it was awful!!!
They are probably reason that the unions got short hood forward (for the most part) in their agreement.

The GE's exhaust would roll back into the cabs making people sick. Being a 4 stroker the exhaust didn't seem tocome out of the stack and get up high enough to get out of the vorticies from the car body. It wasn't too bad if you were in #8, but use a low notch or go to DB or switch in the yard and the fumes would make youphysically sick to your stomach.

Lovely. The romance of railroading. Interestingly, I have seen numerous photos of the C39-8's running long hood first, but never the dash7's. Now we know why.....

[BigJim]

QUOTE: I can't recall ever seeing a photo of the GE's running long hood first.

OH, but they did!!! And it was awful!!!
They are probably reason that the unions got short hood forward (for the most part) in their agreement.

The GE's exhaust would roll back into the cabs making people sick. Being a 4 stroker the exhaust didn't seem tocome out of the stack and get up high enough to get out of the vorticies from the car body. It wasn't too bad if you were in #8, but use a low notch or go to DB or switch in the yard and the fumes would make youphysically sick to your stomach.

[Anonymous]

Most of N&W's SD40-2's and all of the U30C's, C30-7's & C36-7's were ordered with low short hoods. I suspect cost was the issue. With only them and Southern buying high short hoods, EMD viewed this as an extra cost option, with the emphasis on EXTRA. Oddly enough, although photos of the SD's running long hood first are fairly common, I can't recall ever seeing a photo of the GE's running long hood first.

[wjstix]

I seem to remember that back in the eighties either N&W or Southern ordered some low-nose diesels...but continued to run them long-nose forward. Apparently their rationale was that the low hood in the rear allowed better visibility for switching and for keeping an eye back on the train.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

A few of the SD40-2's have been demoted to hump service with a slug attached to the nose, but they have not been renumbered, quite unlike CSX or UP.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by norfolkman61

thanks bwilcox, those pics are fantastic.
did the sd40-2's keep their running numbers when the merger with the southern took place.
rod.

As BigJim said, N&W and Southern SD40-2's were not renumbered after the NS merger. Former Conrail SD40-2's were numbered in the 3300 & 3400 series after the former Southern locomotives.

[BigJim]

QUOTE: did the sd40-2's keep their running numbers when the merger with the southern took place.

As far as I know all of the road units kept their number after the Southern merger. There may have been some change to smaller or yard engines, but I don't really keep up with them that close. The hump slugs numbers did change somewhere along the line, usually losing the first "9" of their number.
Numbers changed on some CR units after that merger.

[Anonymous]

thanks bwilcox, those pics are fantastic.
did the sd40-2's keep their running numbers when the merger with the southern took place.
rod.

[Anonymous]

many thanks big jim, it sure helped a lot.
wish we could buy books, on our favourite railroad in britain.
no such luck though.
as regards the hoods, i am now a little wiser.
take care jim,
rod

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by norfolkman61

can anyone tell me, what is the didfference between a highnose, and a shortnose?
being a brit i am confused.
rod

Shortnose (or short hood, or low nose.....the low hood in front of the cab):
http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=29107
Highnose (or high short hood):
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=118827

[BigJim]

Rod,
Here is a run down from Richard Prince's book;
Y5 - 2101 - 2119*
Y6 - 2120 to 2154
Y6a - 2155 to 2170
Y6b - 2171 to 2200**
* Note that in the early 50's, 19 Y5's were rebuilt to Y6 standands (one Y5 had been destroyed in a wreck and not rebuilt) This brought the entire 2100 series of engines up to modern standards.
** Note that in the early 50's the N&W invented their own type of booster valve for the 2100's. The resulting increase in power required that their front frames be filled with lead for increased traction. Tonnage ratings were increased by 200 to 600 tons. The N&W now refered to them as "Improved" Y5 and "Improved" Y6 class and they, the 2100's, were all rated the same.

Highnose = high short hood end / to top of body
Short or Lownose = low short hood end / body low enough for a window where the high hood used to be.

[Anonymous]

can anyone tell me, what is the didfference between a highnose, and a shortnose?
being a brit i am confused.
rod

[Anonymous]

many thanks for the info, big jim.
all i need now is the running numbers, to the y6b's.
rod.

[BigJim]

That's right. 14 of 'em. 600 thru 613.

[Anonymous]

this is norfolkman61, on the go.
got a slight query?
how many j 4-8-4'S did the n & w own.
i make 14, could be wrong though.
information this side of the pond is scarce.
i look forward to hearing from someone.!!!

[Anonymous]

I believe the blue is close to C&O enchantment blue since that was the partner NW was talking to about merger before PC bankruptcy killed the idea.Dan

[Philcal]

Norfolk &Western, and later merger partner, Southern Railway, were noted for their high short hood units. Many of these are still in service today. I can't be specific, but I understand that several former high short hood units have been converted to short hoods as part of over hauls performed at the former Pennsy Juniata Shops. No doubt, Athearn , and I know for certain, Walthers have taken some liberties with the short hood units. I have one of the Walthers units, a GP-9. Good little switcher though.