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What type gon is this?

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What type gon is this?
Posted by jacon12 on Saturday, February 17, 2024 1:11 PM

Passing by a logging/timber business yesterday near Monticello, Ga. I noticed they had several of this type gon that was used for hauling logs.  It looked like trucks brought in the logs that were transferred with a log grabber and put them in the railcars.  Pardon the poor quality photo , it's a screen shot of the very short video I shot.  I'm curious about the odd shaped end bulkhead they have.

 

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Posted by Little Timmy on Saturday, February 17, 2024 5:49 PM

I have no idea what those gons are called.

But the ends look like there built for some sort of rotory dump.

 

 

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Posted by NittanyLion on Saturday, February 17, 2024 7:35 PM

Bathtub gondola. 

https://cprailmmsub.blogspot.com/2011/01/you-say-bathtub-i-say-teoli.html?m=1

This tells a decent history of them 

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Posted by jacon12 on Sunday, February 18, 2024 2:44 PM

Are the ends bowed downward because of the heavy logs hitting them while loading or I wonder if they come from the factory that way?  The photos of bathtub gons online are different.

Thanks for the replies!  :)

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Posted by "JaBear" on Sunday, February 18, 2024 9:19 PM
While I haven’t been able to identify your pictured cars, having “zoomed in,” the depression in the ends looks far too uniform to be damage caused by random dropping of logs; in fact, I suspect that if logs were dropped from such a height to create that sort of damage, I shudder to think on what the impact would be doing to the trucks and wheel bearings.
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Posted by Overmod on Monday, February 19, 2024 9:00 AM

The sides of the cars are built higher to accommodate more 'pulpwood' logs (which as stacked laterally 'cube out before they weigh out' and can roll out if the load is high in the center...

You see similar modification for wood-chip cars that have had a 'collar' added to increase depth.

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Posted by NittanyLion on Monday, February 19, 2024 7:21 PM

Those aren't extended sides. The distinctive V on the car end still ends at the top of the body. That's not possible on an extended height car, because it would require a wider car.

This is what the car end would look like 

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=5303209

It definitely isn't damage. That's way too regular an arc to the car end. Too bad the reporting mark isn't visible. 

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Posted by cv_acr on Thursday, February 22, 2024 1:23 PM

Overmod

The sides of the cars are built higher to accommodate more 'pulpwood' logs (which as stacked laterally 'cube out before they weigh out' and can roll out if the load is high in the center...

You see similar modification for wood-chip cars that have had a 'collar' added to increase depth.

 

No, they're not.

The cars in the original post are not extended or similarly modified in any way. They're old coal gondolas.

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cp352207&o=cprail

A lot of these older cars can be found hauling steel scrap. Haven't seen them in log service before this thread.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, February 22, 2024 6:26 PM

cv_acr
The cars in the original post are not extended or similarly modified in any way. They're old coal gondolas.

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cp352207&o=cprail

Note that the car end in the picture provided is clearly straight across.

Looking more carefully -- it looks as if the two ends in the original picture are not only bashed down into an arc, but are slightly bowed outward.  Suspect the 'bulkheads' at the ends of the car were built only as heavy as needed, most of a coal loading being transverse and not longitudinal stress... I remember seeing this sort of discussion for the original Bethgons back in the day.  

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Posted by jacon12 on Friday, February 23, 2024 8:45 PM

Thank you all for your replies.  I think I need to go back to Monticello and get permission from the people at the little office on site there to approach the cars for better photos.  On this day I was shooting with my phone camera from a good distance.

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