I am trying to create a reasonable facsimile of the SP & S mixed train combine. The car was a Barney & Smith coach converted to a combine. The best I can come up with is the Bachmann combine which believe is probably a Pullman.
The question: Where would the stove be in the Pullman car? The photos I have of SP & S #272 show a chimney at the vestibule end. That is the toilet on the Pullman.
I've been waiting to see if you get an answer to this, because I also model the SP&S and I'm curious about it. If no one answers here, you might post on groups.io (can I say that? -- I guess the moderator will tell me if not). There's a dedicated group for the SP&S Railway Historical Society and this kind of question gets asked and answered all the livelong day.
-Matt
Returning to model railroading after 40 years and taking unconscionable liberties with the SP&S, Northern Pacific and Great Northern roads in the '40s and '50s.
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I have several combine cars for use on branchlines, and where steam heat from the locomotive isn't available, I have installed either coal-burning stoves or Baker heaters, the latter being coal-fired water heaters which circulate the heated water through in-car radiators, then return the cooled water back to the heater.
A few photos...(Click on the photos for an enlarged view.)
This one is a shortened Model Die Casting "Palace Car" combine...
...the box on the roof is part of the Baker heater, while the heater itself is right below it in the baggage compartment (there's actually no heater modelled, as it wouldn't be visible). There is a stovepipe, partially visible on the other side of the clerestory roof.
This Rivarossi car was originally a full-length diner, but I converted it into a branchline combine, shortening it appropriately...
...here's a view of the interior (before the passengers showed-up)...
There's one coal-fired stove visible just to the right of the baggage section, and another, only partially visible through the window near the washrooms and the vestibule at the right end of the car.
This one is another MDC car, but it's a full-length combine...
...with a coal-fired stove near the right end of the car.
The opposite side of the same car reveals a Baker heater in the baggage compartment (likely tended by the baggage handler), while the coal stove at the other end is probably the responsibility of the conductor.
This one is also full-length, a kit from Branchline, if I recall correctly.
I added two windows on both sides of this car's baggage section, but because it's not normally used in branchline service (perhaps occasionally in the summer) there's no need for smoke-jacks.
Wayne
Thanks for the helpful replies. I will be joining the SP&SHS. The actual car is at a railroad museum not too far from here. I will know after I get over there whether BN changed it from the time when SP&S ran the mixed. My problem is where to put the chimney since the available rtr combine has the toilet where SP&S put the stove.
I posted your question over on the SP&SRHS groups board. Here's the response I got back in less than half an hour:
---------------------------------------Good Afternoon Matt,
And I just realized only now that we are talking about a railroad car that is just 25 miles away from the chair I'm sitting in, up at the depot in Snoqualmie. I could go up there and look at it, although I'm unsure whether the museum's "large artifact" collection is available for snooping around in now that the tourist season is over. I have a friend up in that neighborhood that I need to check on. Maybe time for a coffee in the old town.