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Looking for photos of P.S. 24-roomette sleeper

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Looking for photos of P.S. 24-roomette sleeper
Posted by Tonatiuh on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:10 PM
Hello all!!!

I trying to model a HO-Scale Pullman-Standard 24-Roomette sleeper car, I have just only one drawing from NdeM's data book of sleepers and dinner cars, the drawing just shows the left side (viewing the car from the B end), NdeM had just only one car of this car, so I am looking photos or drawing from the other side or if the other side had the same window locations along of the right side???.
Thanks in Advance!!!

saludos from Mexico

Esteban
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:12 PM
I would try the Pullman Standard Library books. Books are out of print but, can be found.
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:43 PM
I may be wrong but I don't think the car is a 24 roomette car but could it be a 24 duplex roomette car. The only two railroads that owned these cars were AT&SF and CN. Both sides of these cars have staggered windows and the Santa Fe cars were P/S built between June and August 1947 and were Indian prefix names for the twelve cars. Hope this helps.
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Posted by Tonatiuh on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:54 AM
Thanks a Lot!!!!!!

The windows locations of the right side that what i was looking for!!!!, and with your answer , allows me to continue with the job of modeling. And here in Mexico this car (The only one that NdeM had!!!!)were clasified by (in Spanish words)as "24 camarines" NdeM the did not make difference between single or duplex roomette, they just named "Camarin" (Spanish word for Roomette).

Saludos y Muchas Gracias!!!!

Esteban

QUOTE: Originally posted by passengerfan

I may be wrong but I don't think the car is a 24 roomette car but could it be a 24 duplex roomette car. The only two railroads that owned these cars were AT&SF and CN. Both sides of these cars have staggered windows and the Santa Fe cars were P/S built between June and August 1947 and were Indian prefix names for the twelve cars. Hope this helps.
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Posted by passengerfan on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:17 PM
Easy to tell if the car you are talking about is former Canadian National or AT&SF. If CN they had six wheel trucks and Santa Fe 24-duplex roomette cars had four wheel trucks. This might be a little more help.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:16 PM
Santa Fe's 24 Duplex Roomette sleepers were rebuilt to 11 Bedroom sleepers in 1962. They had Stainless Steel fluting on the exterior and rode on GSC Commonwealth trucks and rode on 41 CDO outside swinghanger trucks when rebuilt.
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Posted by Tonatiuh on Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:56 PM
Recently i read info about of the origins fo this car nad the car was a Pullman pool car called Duplex Roomette 1, andn afted named L.S Hungerford, sold to Pickens RR and then resold to NdeM..

I hope this information will be useful

Gracias

Esteban



QUOTE: Originally posted by passengerfan

Easy to tell if the car you are talking about is former Canadian National or AT&SF. If CN they had six wheel trucks and Santa Fe 24-duplex roomette cars had four wheel trucks. This might be a little more help.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:18 PM
Tonatiuh, I have the Pullman library book with this car in it. If you post your e-mail address, I will attempt to scan in and send you info.
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Posted by Tonatiuh on Friday, January 28, 2005 10:42 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by psngrtrn

Tonatiuh, I have the Pullman library book with this car in it. If you post your e-mail address, I will attempt to scan in and send you info.
Ch


Thank you very much!!!!

the e-mail is: estebanvp1973@yahoo.com

And it will be a great help the data of the duplex roomette, that you will send me

Gracias

Saludos

Esteban Vargas
Mexico City
Mexico
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Posted by rmgoat on Thursday, February 25, 2021 12:34 AM

The CN cars had plain sides, the ATSF had fluted sides.

In the spring of 1942, Pullman out-shopped a unique streamlined sleeping car having 24 duplex roomettes as Plan 4100. The objective was to see if such a car would be accepted by the traveling public and the railroads as a possible replacement for dated, heavy-weight 14 and 12 section sleeping cars. The war ensured it was not repeated

After spending time on NYC, PRR, GN, ATSF, and B&O named 'L.S. Hungerford', it too was eventually 'sold south' to N de M.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, February 26, 2021 5:25 PM

Tonatiuh will appreciate this info. Oh wait, he hasn't visited the forum in 5 years and this thread is 16 years old. ConfusedConfused

Rich

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, February 26, 2021 8:12 PM

You never know when someone might find these 4100-plan cars interesting... I sure did!

Here's a guy who built the B&O version of the Hungerford -- and modeled the interior carefully.  All he needs is a few Mel-style women and he'd be all set...

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Posted by rmgoat on Friday, March 19, 2021 7:03 PM

This car is available from Laser Horizons (car sides only, you supply core kit) through Pro-Custom Hobbies. Special order $21.25 USD

http://www.procustomhobbies.com/catpages/LAH.shtml

The car was a one off, 1943 build, leased to GN 1949-51 as they had a shortage of roomette space on the Empire Builder before the 1950 add-on cars for the 47 EB (to become the Western Star later) arrived, and the 1951 total replacement 'Mid Century Empire Builder' was delivered.

Similar but not identical to the CN 'I' class and the ATSF 'Indian' cars. The ATSF cars as noted above had fluted sides.

Ed

 

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