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Just out of curiosity
Posted by John-NYBW on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 2:42 PM

Why did the right side of the cab become the engineers side? In other forms of transportation that came after trains the operator's side became the left side. In the US anyway, cars and trucks have the driver on the left. In airplanes, the pilot is in the left hand seat. Stagecoaches were around before trains but the right hand seat eventually became the shotgun seat. Just curious as to why the right hand side became the engineer's side in locos. 

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 3:07 PM

On most US/North American railroads, trains run right-handed on double-track lines. Having the engineer on the right (or 'outside') side of the cab allowed them to better see signals, view station platforms, etc., which would be on the right side as the train approached them.

But then, why do most US railroads run right-handed with so many other countries are left-handed? 

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Posted by ndbprr on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 3:29 PM

Well when you are called by a business to solve a problem and you can fix the problem but they won't change you get a standard answer of, "That's the way we have always done it".

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Posted by gregc on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 4:28 PM

wjstix
On most US/North American railroads, trains run right-handed on double-track lines. Having the engineer on the right (or 'outside') side of the cab allowed them to better see signals,

that makes sense.   (i wonder if it's true in Britain)

but the Philadelphia & Reading was an early RR that ran left handed because of the British investors before eventually changing.   that RR helped develop early locomotives.  wouldn't it have put the controls on the left side of an engine when running left handed?

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Posted by jeffhergert on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 5:34 PM

I recall hearing of a few left handed steam locomotives built in the US.  Not many of them.

British engines have the controls on the left hand side.  The Chinese built steam locomotives that have come to the US have the controls on the left hand side.

I would think the standardization of controls would predate double tracking of most railroads.  Picking the current of traffic direction may have been influenced by the equipment rather than the other way around.

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Posted by wjstix on Friday, May 27, 2022 1:31 PM

Yes, in Britain trains run left-handed on double track lines, so the engineer ("driver") sits on the left side of the cab ("footplate") and signals are normally to the left of the tracks.

There were several US railroads that ran left-handed. The story often comes up that it was because they had British investors, but I don't know of any cases where that was more than just a guess as to the reason. The U.K. was the largest investor in US business in the 19th century, so I suspect there was British money invested in many US railroads, but only a few chose to run left handed.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, May 28, 2022 5:26 AM

A notable left-hand road was C&NW.  i have heard that under Vanderbilt control the road adopted some British practice, but the predominant explanation I remember hearing was that it had to do with preserving single-track stations when double-tracking.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, May 28, 2022 9:32 PM

Perhaps to expand on what Overmod said, C&NW built the stations on the north side of the tracks so the commuters waiting for the morning train into the city would be on the south facing platform in the sun on cold Chicago mornings.  In a double track situation, that would mean the eastbound track into the city would be the north track, hence left side running.  At least that is what I remember from a Trains article.

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Posted by John-NYBW on Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:31 AM

Didn't C&NW have commuter lines that ran east of Chicago or were those all from other railroads?

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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:28 PM

John-NYBW

Didn't C&NW have commuter lines that ran east of Chicago or were those all from other railroads?

 

C&NW did not have any commuter lines timetable east of their Chicago terminal (actual east was Lake Michigan).  They had commuter lines north and NW of CHI.  I know CSS&SB and PRR had commuter trains TT east if CHI.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, May 30, 2022 2:48 AM

What about the fireman?

Most people are right handed. If you are right handed, and shoveling coal, it is easier to do it from the left side.

That must have been an influence on locomotive design.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, May 30, 2022 5:13 AM
Just out of curiosity is an apt title, and while I can’t shed any light on Johns original question, Just curious as to why the right hand side became the engineer's side in locos”, the topic did pique my own curiosity.
 
Looking through my small collection of books on New Zealand Railway history, in particular, the evolution of the NZ steam locomotive development, it would appear that right from the start, mid 1860s, on most of the locomotives, the engineer’s position was on the right hand side of the cab. (That said, I’m uncertain as to the engineer’s position on the Double Fairlies)
 
I find this is strange as all the locomotives were sourced from “British” manufacturers, until 1877, with the introduction of the NZR K class 2-4-2, built by the Rogers Locomotive Works of New Jersey, the first of the US built locomotives.
 
It appears that with the advent of the “Colonial Design” a blend of the best of American, and British practice, with a dash of European, that the engineers RH side was cemented in cab design.
 
Also, even today there very little of the rail network that is double tracked, so that wasn’t a factor either.
 
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