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CNJ/CRP/Lehigh and Hudson ore cars

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CNJ/CRP/Lehigh and Hudson ore cars
Posted by jeff s on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 5:51 PM

Hello,

Looking for photos/roster information on the ore cars the Lehigh and hudson & CRP/CNJ had that served new jersey zinc /odgen/sterling mines.  This would not be the cover hopper type, but the "missabbee range" type that they added covers two.  I'm trying to kibash a few but can't find any of the cover details.

thank you in advance

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Posted by mthobbies on Friday, May 21, 2021 9:44 PM

Hey Jeff. I just saw that you are modeling the New Jersey Zinc company. Interestingly I am also modeling that. But I'm going with the Palmerton PA NJZ West Plant and Chestnut Ridge Railway. I don't have any information on the ore cars, but I have a buddy who lives in Sussex county who rides dirt bikes to the ogdensburg mine all the time. We ride on the abandoned Lackawanna Cutoff roadbed.

Do you happen to model Palmerton or the NJZ smelting facilities located there? If so we should definitely talk.

 

Matt

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Posted by Erie Lackawanna in Georgia on Friday, May 21, 2021 9:52 PM

There is a photo of a L&H ore car  on this site:

http://www.madrivermuseum.org/equipment.html

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Saturday, May 22, 2021 9:29 PM

The Morning Sun Book "Lehigh and Hudson River" has a bunch of photos of the zinc mining area and facilities - after all, it was the one of the two major on-line imdustries of what was otherwise a bridge line. Chapter Two starts with five pages on the limestone (using as a fluxing agent in blast furnaces) quaries, follwed by four pages on the biggest on line customer of all, New Jersey Zinc at Franklin and includes a track plan and aerial view from low altitude so you can see a lot of detail and, finally, three pages on the operation at Palmerton (although off-line) and two photos of L&HR ore hoppers (!) - but no roof details (sob!)

Per the caption "The L&HR began buying zinc ore cars in 1906 and those 1700 series were similar in size and appearance to the 1800's made by ACF in 1915. The 1900's were built by the Reading Company shop in 1940" So maybe a search of ACF and Reading records might prove useful. 

BTW, the 1800's look like they kept their T-Section trucks to the end, even though they were banned from interchange in 1953. And interchanged they were, between the CNJ and L&HR. 

There is an ancient model you could use as a start for a kitbotch, originally made by Varney way back in the Fifties and laterly marketed by Life Like

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LIFE-LIKE-No-8514-COVERED-HOPPER-ERIE-RAPIDO-COUPLERS-/322372871640

Essentially what Varney did was dream up a roof and slap it on their standard hopper car. You could pop off the roof, cut down the sides, remove the saw tooth hoppers, put the roof back on and have something resembling a 1900 series car. 

Or you could pop off the roof and trim it to fit the Missabi Range ore car of your choice to make something like a 1800 series car (think you may have to cut down the sides)

Here's an ACF built covered hopper from 1940 that may help with the roof details

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s319/centralpullman/Prototype%20Photos/LO_hopper_zps5cqvbrxe.jpg

Ans, since no one knows how they actually looked, who is to say you're wrong...

And guess what! I found builders photos of CRP ore hoppers! Number 99042 (resembling LHR 1800's)

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cnj99042.jpg

And CRP Number 1 (Yes,ONE) resembling the LHR' 1900's

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cnj1.jpg

Hope this helps

 

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Posted by jeff s on Monday, July 26, 2021 3:40 PM

Matt, 

Great to here,  i am modeling the anthracite roads with New York Harbor to Wilkes-Barre LV/CNJ as main focus.   I have used representive model and selective compression to include car floats, port area, refinery, coke works and bethlehem steel.  The layout is vague enough that the harbor area could be Philly or NY harbor, depending on whether i run reading/PRR or CNJ/LV.  I have a representive model of NJZ i am making out of kitbashed Walthers blower house.  I have several NJZ/CRP/CNJ pieces of rolling stock for the zinc plant and i am working on a pair of L&H C430 for an interchange train into my allentown yard.   There is guy in Nevada selling great ore car kits,  I have assemble one and they are complicated but awesome when done.  see link  to shortline model products

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Posted by jeff s on Monday, July 26, 2021 3:41 PM
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Posted by jeff s on Monday, July 26, 2021 3:44 PM

I am going to make it a point to find the book,  also the 99042 is exactly what i was looking for.

Shortline models makes a kit for CNJ 1 that comes with CRP/CNJ and L&H decals.  Its an awesome kit

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Posted by NVSRR on Monday, July 26, 2021 7:34 PM

Jeff you  might want to drop in on the post MAtt did a few weeks ago about the NJZ plant.  I put up quite a bit of info on the plant and operations and ariel photos of the complex.  Much better than the ones found by goolge.

 

  I do beleive roundhouse made ore cars very similar to what you seek.   Now finding them night be a challange.

 

Shane

 

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