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Gray MILW F7s

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Gray MILW F7s
Posted by Ringo58 on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:51 PM

When did the gray milwaukee road units with the orange stripe disappear? 

I can't seem to find many pictures of them in real life, only models

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:57 PM

Don't know, but I asked your question on the MRHS FB page.  I'm wondering the same.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:00 PM

Athearn made these in that color scheme, but the real engines may have been FT rather than F7.

I have 4 of them from Athearn, 3 A-units and one B.

 

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:00 PM

The original diesel paint scheme with gray - based on the pattern used on the streamlined steam engines used on the Hiawatha - only lasted to about 1950.

https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/29209

Since those diesels only wore that scheme a few years, there were relatively few chances to photograph them - and most railfans were more interested in taking pics of steam anyway.

 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:26 PM

The info that Mr. B and Stix offered checks out with what I've learned from fellow members at the MRHS.

That gray with the lightning streak was the way many were delivered in the 40's, and then the repaint to the orange, maroon and black followed in the 50's.

Here's a page with lots of pictures, although most are black and white:

https://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr526.htm

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Posted by The Milwaukee Road Warrior on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:26 PM

The "power stripe" theme was delivered to the MILW in July of 1945 and up into 1947.  The initial run of this Hiawatha on the Twin Cities route was May 29, 1948.

Right after this came the classic orange and maroon paint scheme offered in the latest Walthers Proto sets.  This scheme came in about 1950.

This info comes from my Morning Sun book: The Milwaukee Road, Volume 3: Wisconsin & Michigan, by William Stauss.

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Posted by The Milwaukee Road Warrior on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:32 PM

MisterBeasley

Athearn made these in that color scheme, but the real engines may have been FT rather than F7.

I have 4 of them from Athearn, 3 A-units and one B.

You are correct.  My Morning Sun book has captions under pictures of two of them: one caption refers to FT's delivered right at the end of the war, the other refers to E7's.  Apparently, both units were provided to MILW.  From what I gather, the E7s ran on the Olympian Hiawatha to Seattle at least initially, then reassigned to Chicago-Minneapolis (Twin Cities Hiawatha) runs after July 1947.  Info on the FTs just says that of the 52 units MILW had, all sets were traded in for GP9s in 1954 "after each had accumulated nearly one million miles of road service."

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Posted by The Milwaukee Road Warrior on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 4:36 PM

One final clarification.  Another caption in my book reads:

"Freight F's delivered in the lightening bolt scheme were painted a dark, slate gray, as opposed to the medium gray worn by those in passenger service."

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Posted by Lakeshore Sub on Tuesday, January 19, 2021 7:20 PM

There is a picture in Bob Baker's Wisconsin Rails book that shows a matched set of 3 F7's at LaCrosse in 1950 with the dark gray lightning bolt scheme so it appears that the scheme was applied to some of the Milwaukee F7's.

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Posted by The Milwaukee Road Warrior on Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:21 PM

Lakeshore Sub

There is a picture in Bob Baker's Wisconsin Rails book that shows a matched set of 3 F7's at LaCrosse in 1950 with the dark gray lightning bolt scheme so it appears that the scheme was applied to some of the Milwaukee F7's.

Scott Sonntag

 

Yes, in fact, my quote in the post right before yours is from the caption from that exact same picture, also included in my book previously referenced.

So from what I can gather piecing together the history from various photos and captions, the lightning bolt theme ran from 1945 to 1950 but there was overlap with some units getting the original (first) maroon and orange scheme with the Hiawatha logo on the nose as early as 1948.  That scheme lasted until 1950 as well, when the modified maroon and orange without the Hiawatha on the nose began to appear.

The lightening bolt theme:

https://www.walthers.com/emd-f3a-standard-dc-milwaukee-road-83d-gray-orange-lightning-bolt

The original maroon/orange scheme:

https://www.walthers.com/emd-fp7-loksound-5-sound-and-dcc-milwaukee-road-90c-early-orange-maroon-with-running-hiawatha-logo

The later modified maroon/orange scheme:

https://www.walthers.com/emd-fp7-loksound-5-sound-and-dcc-milwaukee-road-99c-modifed-orange-maroon-with-cab-herald

 

Andy

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