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What is this and what do I need to fix it?

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What is this and what do I need to fix it?
Posted by SETH CRAWFORD on Friday, November 27, 2020 8:04 PM

Alright, I purchased this brass passenger car (for $10) that I plan to finish and paint in a fantasy scheme. However, I would like to know what kind of passenger car it is, what railroad it came from, what I'll need as far as parts are concerned, and possibly how I can take it apart to clean and add seats and maybe, best case scenario, lights to it... yeah this is going to be a pretty extensive project. Any advice will be welcome, please and thank you. 

 

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bcu516seijz04rg/4bxCeYAA2.jpeg?dl=0

 

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, November 27, 2020 8:13 PM

Hi,

You'll need to remove the access restrictions on your Dropbox links or host your photos at another photo site and post the links there.

Once you get that hurdle over with it will be easier to help you out.

Regards, Ed

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Posted by SETH CRAWFORD on Friday, November 27, 2020 8:38 PM

gmpullman

Hi,

You'll need to remove the access restrictions on your Dropbox links or host your photos at another photo site and post the links there.

Once you get that hurdle over with it will be easier to help you out.

Regards, Ed

 



because of course it gives dropbox links instead of the actual pictures I copy and pasted here. And of course nothing I do is working. I've cropped and resized these two images and the site just does not want to show them. So here's one of them, hopefully the site doesn't give *another* broken jpeg



UPDATE: Of freaking course it gives the broken jpeg. Angry

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Posted by SETH CRAWFORD on Friday, November 27, 2020 8:45 PM
Okay, try it now
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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, November 27, 2020 9:00 PM

Wow, that's in pretty rough shape and looks pretty old. More photos of different parts of the car might help.

It appears to be a sleeper of some type. Obviously a flutted streamlined car, late 1930's or newer, could be a long list of railroads.

Might not even be an accurate model of anything, could be freelanced.

The first thing every modeler should learn about real passenger equipment is that it was often unique, or built in small volumes, and often modified and rebuilt many times in its service life.

Example, many of the famous name trains were built with just enough equipment for two trains and possibly a few back up cars.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by SETH CRAWFORD on Friday, November 27, 2020 9:06 PM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL

Wow, that's in pretty rough shape and looks pretty old. More photos of different parts of the car might help.

It appears to be a sleeper of some type. Obviously a flutted streamlined car, late 1930's or newer, could be a long list of railroads.

Might not even be an accurate model of anything, could be freelanced.

The first thing every modeler should learn about real passenger equipment is that it was often unique, or built in small volumes, and often modified and rebuilt many times in its service life.

Example, many of the famous name trains were built with just enough equipment for two trains and possibly a few back up cars.

Sheldon

 

 

It's pretty much mirrored on the other side, there's no detail inside or out and the floor is pretty much the undercarriage you see here, i.e. indented floor. 

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, November 27, 2020 9:07 PM

SETH CRAWFORD
Okay, try it now

Got it.

 Seth Photo by Edmund, on Flickr

There were some early Japanese and Korean manufacturers, Soho and Tenshodo come to mind. As Sheldon mentions they really didn't hold prototype accuracy too closely.

Besides possibly being a Pullman 10-6 sleeping car or possibly a coach with the "mid-split" divider I'd have to dig to look for what that window arrangement is supposed to represent.

Regards, Ed

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Posted by SETH CRAWFORD on Friday, November 27, 2020 9:25 PM
Okay, well, for the sake of argument, let's just say it's a Pullman 10-6 sleeper circa 1930s or later. It's a good thing I'm going with a fantasy scheme and not the real thing or else we'd all be going mad trying to figure it out, but I would like to know what kind of parts I would need, or at least where I can find a good diagram of them for this kind of coach. I'm also not sure how I can take this thing apart without bending the snot out of it. Don't think it's soldered on but I don't know what was used to put it together.
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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, November 28, 2020 12:37 AM

Whatever you did to the Dropbox link lets me see it on a phone now.  So you can post details of the bottom of the car so we can get a better idea of how it goes together.

There's a potential big problem in all the dents and twisting I see in that shell.  I foresee an awful lot of annealing and careful hammering to get everything straight -- and little of what I see looks like typical stainless 'rash' and the sort of typical service damage many of these cars came to exhibit...

I'd be tempted to have you polish the car, then get the supplies and equipment to plate it.  Alternative would be to do something like what AntonioFP45 does to get proper stainless look...

Consider full-width diaphragms, really good-detailed trucks, and better door and vestibule detail.

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, November 30, 2020 3:06 PM

For $10-20 you could find an old undecorated plastic streamlined car that would be a lot easier to work with.

Stix

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