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Valve Assembly On A Water Tower.

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Valve Assembly On A Water Tower.
Posted by BATMAN on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 5:42 PM

Anyone have photos of a valve assembly on a water tower (Ed)?

To be specific I am modeling a Canadian Pacific enclosed tower and would like to add the detail.

I have some ideas of what I will do if no pics show up. A rope or chain connected to the spout that can be pulled once the spout is in place is easy, but I would like to see what kind of lever is on the other end.

Thanks

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 5:52 PM

BATMAN
To be specific I am modeling a Canadian Pacific enclosed tower and would like to add the detail.

Not much different than a toilet (WC) cistern, really:

 Cistern_valve-detail by Edmund, on Flickr

The only thing you see from the outside would be the rope leading to the pulley (r)

 Cistern_fix by Edmund, on Flickr

 

Here is a drawing of an enclosed tank, similar setup. All you would see is a rope coming out from under the roof eaves:

 CPR_40k-enclosed by Edmund, on Flickr

 

Hope that helps, Ed

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Posted by BATMAN on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 5:59 PM

Thanks Ed! I knew you would come through but what took you so long, I had my stopwatch out.LaughSmile, Wink & Grin

Now for my next question, I would like to order some chain like what is in the diagram for the water tower and for some other things like securing loads on a flatcar. How many links per inch do you think that is?

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:10 PM

BATMAN
How many links per inch do you think that is?

Probably the smallest you can get (40 links/inch?)

http://www.builders-in-scale.com/bis/parts-chain.html

Modeled chain tends to look oversize, sometimes intentionally just so you know it really IS chain.

Have Fun! Ed

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Posted by BATMAN on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:19 PM

Thanks again Ed.Cowboy

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Posted by doctorwayne on Tuesday, June 9, 2020 8:43 PM

My father built this wooden water tank, I believe from a Jack Work article in MR, perhaps in 1955 or '56....

I couple of years ago, I replaced the balsa wood support structure using strip styrene, and also added the "steel" tension bars, along with some nbw details from Grandt Line. 

The chain which extends from the spout to the top of the tower (just beneath the eaves), is, I think, the one which opens the valve.

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 2:26 PM

Brent, I haven't looked, but if Kanamodel still exists, or if their product can still be had anyplace, they make several very nice kits.  I built this water tank in 2006 and it turned out okay...for me.  The one pictured above is highly similar.

The kit included the thread and 'weight' beads.  The instructions said to glue on the beads, thread the 'cables' into place, and to put small clamps at the bottom of each weighted line.  Then, using a slurry of cornstarch/flour and a small artist's brush, you literally paint the entire thread about ten times, letting it dry each time.  The idea, as you'd expect, is to dry out the thread, all the while building up the stiffening starch. 

 

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Posted by BigDaddy on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 2:41 PM

Kannamodels has gone belly up, but somebody has a stash of kits they are selling on Ebay

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Posted by BATMAN on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:07 PM

Crandell, I have the Kanamodels enclosed water tank and the cable stiffening is underway with my high tech holder.Laugh

I am making changes to the way the weights are suspended and I am changing that up a bit as I thought they cheaped out with their suggested method. Even though it was a standard Canadian Pacific build, after looking at so many pics of CP towers they varied quite a bit. Another change I will make down the road is the roof, all the CP towers I have seen are cedar shake, not tar paper.

Kanamodels are great kits. I have the coal and sanding towers and grain elevator, grain bin, office as well. Oh ya and their two outhouses kit was a gift from Santa. A lot of money for half a gram of wood.PirateLaugh

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Posted by BATMAN on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:41 PM

Okay, I need some assistance here. I was about to hang the spout assembly on the water tower and in the instructions the height they tell you to hang it, is way too low. For those of you that have water towers, what is the height from the ground that the pipe that comes out through the wall at? Near as I can tell from measuriing various prototype photos, the centre of the pipe should be 2" above the ground on my HO model.

As always, thanks.

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:28 PM

BATMAN
Near as I can tell from measuriing various prototype photos, the centre of the pipe should be 2" above the ground on my HO model.

The print shows 13' 0" from the head of the rail to the bottom of the support for the spout (the pivot point). That's 1.7931" in HO.

See the left-hand drawing on the middle photo above titled "cistern_fix".

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by BATMAN on Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:04 PM

DUH! Why didn't I think to look there. Good thing you're in charge. 

Thanks Ed.

 

Brent

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