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EMD GP2000
Posted by IA and eastern on Saturday, April 27, 2019 3:50 PM

Does anyone have a good side picture of th EMD GP2000 locomotive. I would like model the locomotive if i can get at least a picture. Gary

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Posted by mbinsewi on Saturday, April 27, 2019 3:58 PM

Never heard of an EMD GP2000.  Confused

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Posted by gmpullman on Saturday, April 27, 2019 4:10 PM

mbinsewi
Never heard of an EMD GP2000.

As far as I recall, it was a proposed "concept" locomotive that never got off the drawing board. Maybe in the late 1990s or so? I think in reality it became the GP-22 ECO.

I don't recall even seeing a sketch of it, so if you want to model one, go for it!

Maybe it would have looked like this?

 EMD_model_foobie by Edmund, on Flickr

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by mbinsewi on Saturday, April 27, 2019 5:23 PM

Wow Ed, where did you find those?

Here's an old thread in TRAINS, some one does bring up the EMD GP2000:

http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/741/t/220181.aspx?pi332=6

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Posted by IA and eastern on Monday, April 29, 2019 6:28 AM

There was a picture of the locomotive in Trains magazine but it was so small that i really tell much. Gary

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, April 29, 2019 7:29 AM

It must have been a concept drawing, as from all the searching I've done, nothing was ever actually built, or any drawings released.

If and when you find out more, please post it in here.  I would like to see what this concept loco looked like, or how it's designers invisioned it.

I now put this in my "cold case" file.  Smile, Wink & Grin

Good luck.

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Posted by Amtrak 42 on Friday, May 10, 2019 11:06 PM

That picture is actually an early Zephyr power car from the 1930s. They were made by EMD and were famous on the Burlington Route. I've never seen pics of them in that paint scheme though, just in silver

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Saturday, May 11, 2019 12:31 AM

Amtrak 42

That picture is actually an early Zephyr power car from the 1930s. They were made by EMD and were famous on the Burlington Route. I've never seen pics of them in that paint scheme though, just in silver

I think you’re mistaken. Yes, those use the shovel nose common on zephyrs but those have carbobies similar to earlier e units. I think these are just Ed’s idea of a joke. There is no way they actually exist, because if they did I would likely know about them!

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Posted by gmpullman on Saturday, May 11, 2019 4:20 AM

SPSOT fan
I think these are just Ed’s idea of a joke.

Photo caption: "EMD_Model_Foobie" 

First clue.

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Saturday, May 11, 2019 5:04 AM

Ed, what actually is that model? Is it a what if you kitbashed or something else?

Regards, Isaac

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, May 11, 2019 5:34 AM

SPSOT fan
 

There is no way they actually exist, because if they did I would likely know about them! 

Do you have expertise in historical locomotive design?

Just curious.

Rich

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, May 11, 2019 5:41 AM

From Leo Ames on the Classic Trains Forum:

Leo_Ames

Just thought of another, EMD's GP2000. Would have been along the lines of today's Eco program, utilize original components from older GP's like the trucks, and would've carried a 8 cylinder 710G3A rated at 1950 HP. Norfolk Southern came close to ordering some according to what I've read at a couple of different places. But it was expensive and fuel prices and air quality regulations weren't as large of a factor back then as they are today so it went unbuilt and they started to explore the BL20 concept.

 

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Saturday, May 11, 2019 5:51 AM

richhotrain

 

 
SPSOT fan
 

There is no way they actually exist, because if they did I would likely know about them! 

 

 

Do you have expertise in historical locomotive design?

If you define expertise as spending a lot of time reading about trains on the internet then YES!

Regards, Isaac

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, May 11, 2019 6:38 AM

SPSOT fan
  
richhotrain 
SPSOT fan 

There is no way they actually exist, because if they did I would likely know about them!  

Do you have expertise in historical locomotive design? 

If you define expertise as spending a lot of time reading about trains on the internet then YES! 

Oh!

When you said that you would likely know about the EMD GP2000, I just assumed that perhaps you were involved in some sort of academic research concerning the history of diesel locomotives.

Anyhow, there is quite a bit of mention of the EMD GP2000 on the Internet. An interesting concept that never quite became a reality.

Rich

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Saturday, May 11, 2019 7:40 AM

richhotrain

 

 
SPSOT fan
  
richhotrain 
SPSOT fan 

There is no way they actually exist, because if they did I would likely know about them!  

Do you have expertise in historical locomotive design? 

If you define expertise as spending a lot of time reading about trains on the internet then YES! 

 

 

Oh!

 

When you said that you would likely know about the EMD GP2000, I just assumed that perhaps you were involved in some sort of academic research concerning the history of diesel locomotives.

Anyhow, there is quite a bit of mention of the EMD GP2000 on the Internet. An interesting concept that never quite became a reality.

Accually I was referring to Ed’s weird thing, though I haven’t heard about the GP2000, will now google it to learn more about it!

Regards, Isaac

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Posted by gmpullman on Saturday, May 11, 2019 1:25 PM

SPSOT fan

Ed, what actually is that model? Is it a what if you kitbashed or something else?

 

Something I came across on eBay several years ago. I seem to recall the thread here was about outrageous prices paid for fantasy models. I also recall that particular "model" went for over $800.

Seems like the Lionel and G scale crowd like these kinds of things, like the two observation car ends glued together (eggliner?) or the "beeb" a little one-truck GP7 kind of thing.

 eggliner_atsf by Edmund, on Flickr

 G_scale_beep by Edmund, on Flickr

The subject of the thread was about imagined, or proposed locomotives and, well, I thought you can't get any more imaginative than that.

Regards, Ed

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:38 PM

Wow, $800 for a model of something that never existed! That’s insane! I mean, it looks nice but still!

I think the G scale guys like the shorter stuff because they can run it on tighter curves, wide curves take a lot of space in G scale!

You should see some of the inaccurate equipment that appears in live steam scales (not live steam itself, I’m referring to the scale). In that scale people don’t seem to care how prototypical it is so long as you can ride on it!

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, May 11, 2019 11:39 PM

 People on eBay can be just plain ignorant at times, usually to the benfit of the seller.

 Those Eggliners and Beeps were dime a dozen, they weren;t some limited production or anything. Always had them in stock at the LHS. There were various holiday versioons of the Eggliner, they weren;t trying to be serious with either of them, they were strictly for entertainment purposes.

 Even Walthers has been in on the act. Penn Central steam loco decals anyone? Boy did that cause a ruckus in the eidotirla pages of MR for a few months. And they had such things as the Peanut One caboose, and the Jailbox car. Shorty passenger cars and the Shuttle Jack (have a 50's Walther catalog and they had a little rhyme for the shuttle jack. "Ain't got the whole dang floor? Build your layout on a 2x4. To small radius lay your track, and add a Walthers Shuttle Jack"

Foobies have always been around, everything from blatantly obvious to lettering a 13 post hopper for a railroad where that number was a 12 post design (and 99% of the people can't tell the difference and/or don't care, it's close enough).

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, May 12, 2019 12:31 AM

rrinker
 Even Walthers has been in on the act.

Oscar and the Piker Whistling

https://www.walthers.com/21-heavyweight-quot-oscar-quot-quot-piker-quot-set-ready-to-run-pullman

Some folks like it, others — maybe not so much.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, May 12, 2019 7:37 AM

Aren't those little cars just soooooooo......Huh?....never mind.  Can't find the right emoji  Laugh

So, any way, I did a little digging around on the GP 2000 thing, came across something on another forum, from a poster that eveyone on this forum seemed to respect what he had to say.

In a series of post, talking about locomotives that were planned, or promoted by manufacturers, but never built, he talks about the GP 2000 being a rebuild program through EMD.  If I remember what I read correctly, part of an order for SD60's, from the NS, in 1988,  EMD tried to "tack on" this GP 2000 but the NS rejected it.

According to this poster, there is documnetation of this order in the archives of the N&W Historical Society.  I looked it up, a document does excist, but I didn't feel like spending the $25. to see what it said.

It might be a step towards more info on the GP 2000 mystery for someone who really needs to know.

I don't need to know that bad, but it is interesting. Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, May 19, 2019 2:07 PM

What's the NWHS document number?  I may check if I ever actually get to Roanoke during volunteer days.  Reunions may neatly overlap this year!

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, May 19, 2019 3:04 PM

I didn't write the number down.  It's easy to find on there web site.  I think I typed in NS purchases in 1988.

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Posted by IA and eastern on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 6:20 AM

I looked at the GP2000 and figured a rebuild would be on a GP9 frame. Then i wrote to N&Whistorical and looked at specs. The locomotive would have a 2400 to 3600 gallon fuel then looked at the GP49 and the GP59 then realized that a GP2000 would be on the same frame. That would mean that the GP2000 would be a GP49 with a 8 cylinder engine. Gary

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 6:44 AM

IA and eastern
I looked at the GP2000 and figured a rebuild would be on a GP9 frame. Then i wrote to N&Whistorical and looked at specs. The locomotive would have a 2400 to 3600 gallon fuel then looked at the GP49 and the GP59 then realized that a GP2000 would be on the same frame. That would mean that the GP2000 would be a GP49 with a 8 cylinder engine. Gary

Interesting!  Did they actually have a picture or a drawing?

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Posted by IA and eastern on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 8:17 AM

There was a picture in Trains magazine that i am trying to find. Gary

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