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BAR Winterization Hatches

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Posted by MrMick on Monday, April 22, 2019 11:07 AM

Thanks Ed for the information on how the winterization hatches work; I had seen something about how they redirected flow back into the Engine Room to keep it warm in cold weather,  and that was a pretty decent summary ; your info on the E8 added to that.

I have built a hatch using styrene and some small screening -  had I known about the Details West product I would have been tempted to get some ( and maybe I still will. - I have a New Haven DL-109 that had the hatches, I believe). Based on the numberous photos/sideviews of the BAR F3A's it appears that they used the EMD product; the curved tops are distincitve;  the BAR Geeps have hatches with a different profile.

Thanks agains for the information and suggestions.

Peter

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, April 19, 2019 8:37 PM

Hi,

You don't mention what scale you are working in. For HO, Life-Like would provide winterization hatches that the modeler could add if desired. There are other makes as well:

https://tinyurl.com/yylbqfkj

Here is an overview of the system as explained by EMD (This is from an E8 so there are two "power plants".

 E8_ventilation by Edmund, on Flickr

 E8_ventilation_0002 by Edmund, on Flickr

Looking through the screen you would only see the top of another fan. The shutter (damper) was located vertically between the two fans.

I understand some roads made their own winterization covers so BAR may be one of them?

 BAR 42 F3A by Marty Bernard, on Flickr

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by MrMick on Friday, April 19, 2019 1:57 PM

Well, modeling the screen seems to be the answer for me. Maybe a piece of metal insect screen, then sort of squish it to make the squares  into parellelograms,  and glue would do it.  Thanks for the help

Mick

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Posted by mbinsewi on Friday, April 19, 2019 1:00 PM

Not sure about BAR locomotives, but your correct, as far as the shutters.  You usually don't see them, even with a good picture of the top of locomotive because of the screen covering the top of the opening.

I've never seen the shutters modeled.

I believe the typical screen for them, was an expanded horizontal diamond type screen, but I'm not positive about that.

Mike.

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BAR Winterization Hatches
Posted by MrMick on Friday, April 19, 2019 12:42 PM

I am working on a model of one of the BAR F-3A locomotives; they all had a winterization hatch. I couldn't find a photo of the top side of the locomotive, so I would like to know, in general, what the top of the hatches looked like?  My assump

tion is that it has shutters which are are open  or closed ( in the winter), similar to radiator shutters.  Can anyone provide a general description for me (not necessarily BAR practice)so i can model it somewhat accurately, rather than leave the box just open at the top.  Thanks

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