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Figuring Out Erie RR Signals for Layout

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:33 AM

ATSFGuy

 

Does anyone know what those round shaped single bulb signals are called?

 

 

Searchlight.

 

But perhaps you're thinking of this:

That's a "Tri-Light".  It's round, but it's three bulb.

 

The N&W DID use these:

 

I just call those "Pennsy signals".  I wonder what the official name is.  But note that, although they're round, they're multi-bulb, not single.

And that LOWER "head".  Wow.  Never saw that before.  Neat!

 

 

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:26 AM

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would mean the lower signal would be multi-colored so that a three-light signal could be used. That would make the aspects red-red-green or red-red-red. Does that sound right? The placement of the signal would be facing trains entering the crossover area.

You need to make a list of all the signals that could be displayed at the interlocking, that will tell you what colors you need on each signal head.  For example if none of the switches are lined, all main track signals normal and a straight away route is lined, then the signal would display clear g-r-r.  If the block after the next signal is occupied then you might get an approach y-r-r.  If you wanted a medium speed anyplace, for a 30 mph route, you would need a r-g-y.  If it was a higher speed main, it might have an advance approach of some combination of red with two yellows (can't find my Erie rule book).

Since its an interlocking you should also have a signal governing the entrance into the main track in the interlocking.

Here's an interesting rule for you to consider.  Any time a train enters an interlocking and partially occupies it, they cannot reverse directions without permission from the operator.  If they completely clear the interlocking, they can re-enter on signal indication, if they completely occupy the route through the interlocking, they can reverse direction.  If they nose into the limits or the rear end of the cut is hanging into the limits, every time they change directions, they have to call the operator and get permission to move in the new direction.  

When the switcher pulls into the textile company the switcher needs permission from the opertor to enter the main track from the engine facility.

Will need permission from the operator to reverse directions.

Goes into the textile plant.

Will need permission to re-enter the main track when it pulls a track.

Then needs permission to reverse direction to set the cars to the main or another track.

Then will need permission to reverse direction to go back past the textile switch.

If it goes back into the industry it needs permission to reverse directions.

Basically any time you touch the reverser and the switcher or cars coupled to it touch a main track, you will have to talk to the operator before moving.

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Posted by Erie1951 on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:27 AM

Thanks, Guys! I think the "proceed through crossover at slow speed" and the "stop" signal would have to be combined.

The green on the lower signal for the "proceed through crossover", here:

And the red on the lower "stop", here:

would mean the lower signal would be multi-colored so that a three-light signal could be used. That would make the aspects red-red-green or red-red-red. Does that sound right? The placement of the signal would be facing trains entering the crossover area. It may not be what the Erie actually used, but I'll have to do some re-engineering here.

Russ

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Posted by dehusman on Tuesday, December 25, 2018 10:27 PM

Erie1951
Would that mean the lower signal would function as a multi-color searchlight showing either red or green? That would allow both rule's signal aspects to be used on a three-light vertcal signal head.

Just remember that all red isn't an "absolute stop" its a "stop" signal.  The word "absolute" isn't anywhere in the rule.

Also several of the heads will have to display multiple colors.  The top would display r-y-g (plus the middle head depending on the other indications).

If also depends on the speed of the crossovers.  If the top and bottom are red and the middle signal is green, then that is proceed through the interlocking at medium speed.  The switches look sharp so slow speed is probably appropriate.

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Tuesday, December 25, 2018 10:04 PM

Where on your layout were you planning to place this signal?  I've seen different photos of ERE signals and it showed that some had two round signals mounted high on a interlocking and other interlockings had a pole with two round signals facing the direction of the camera or looking the oposite way.

I'm not sure how ERE set up it's signals as I don't model that road, but on any railroad here in the US, a signal or set of signals would be seen every few miles or so.

Does anyone know what those round shaped single bulb signals are called?   N&W used some as well.

When time period is your layout?

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Posted by 7j43k on Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:53 PM

I would expect there would be two two-head signals on each bridge, facing outwards from the interlocking.

Why would it be any different?

 

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Posted by Erie1951 on Tuesday, December 25, 2018 8:17 PM

mvlandsw

The green light in rule 287 would change to red to become rule 292. The prototype signals in the picture could be built to show up to three colors.

Mark

Thanks, Mark. Would that mean the lower signal would function as a multi-color searchlight showing either red or green? That would allow both rule's signal aspects to be used on a three-light vertcal signal head.

Russ

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Posted by mvlandsw on Tuesday, December 25, 2018 7:55 PM

The green light in rule 287 would change to red to become rule 292. The prototype signals in the picture could be built to show up to three colors.

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Figuring Out Erie RR Signals for Layout
Posted by Erie1951 on Tuesday, December 25, 2018 6:56 PM

Season's Greetings and Good Evening, Crew! I think that I have the signals needed for my layout. First, take a look at my trackplan. At either end of the yard throat are locations for signal bridges.

While trying to find the appropriate signals, I came accross this photo from Trains Mag that shows a relatively short distance between the signal and the crossover. This would fit well with the distance between the end of the tracks on the layout and each crossover.

Now, while looking at the Erie's 1952 (my modeling era) color signal aspects, I found two seperate signals that I want to use. The first is the three-color "Proceed Through Crossover" signal:

But, to me, this signal would also need to include an absolute stop when there are switching operations taking place. The Erie absolute stop signals can be seen here:

My question is how can I incorporate the "Proceed Through Crossover" signal with the "Absolute Stop" signal on a signal bridge? Thanks, Guys!

Russ

Modeling the early '50s Erie in Paterson, NJ.  Here's the link to my railroad postcard collection: https://railroadpostcards.blogspot.com/

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