snjroy....I might go ahead and get one and go with "my railroad my rules" principle....
Firelock76Of course, it's your model railroad, your rules, so if you want to indulge yourself by buying an articulated and slapping Canadian railroad markings on it I certainly won't say you're wrong by doing so!
I certainly agree, and you could letter it for either a real railroad or for a free-lanced one. I wasn't really in the market for an articulated, but saw a used Bachmann USRA 2-6-6-2 at a nearby hobbyshop for what seemed to be a good price (there's a long story behind that) and not too long ago, finally put it into service...
I'm sorta modelling southern/southwestern Ontario, but with lots of heavy grades, so thought this one would be useful as a pusher...
...although adding all-wheel pick-up to both tenders really cut into its pulling capabilities....some further adjustments are required. I often go to some lengths to make rolling stock and locomotives match specific prototypes, but have no compunction about throwing freelanced stuff into the mix, as long as it's done in a reasonably prototypical fashion.
Incidentally, CNR's Thorold Sub, alongside the Welland Canal, has the steepest grade on the CN system.
Wayne
Canada's only articulateds were initially three 0-6-6-0's built by the Canadian Pacific for pusher service on the west slope of Kicking Horse Pass back in 1909. Quite successful five more were built in 1911.
However, in 1916 they were rebuilt into 2-10-0's and lasted into the 1950's before being scrapped.
The "Classic Trains" magazine special issue "Steam Glory 3" from 2012 had a very good article on these locomotives. I think "SG3" is still available from Kalmbach as a back-issue, go the the "Shop" section on the top of the webpage and proceed from there.
Of course, it's your model railroad, your rules, so if you want to indulge yourself by buying an articulated and slapping Canadian railroad markings on it I certainly won't say you're wrong by doing so! Have fun!
That bus driver is going to be fired for driving on the railroad track... oh, wait...
The Aerotrain is perhaps the epitome of not having a clue. Did the people at GM think passenger cars had cement in their floors just because the railroads like hauling extra weight? That was the main problem with the Aerotrain, the lightweight bus bodies were noisy and very rough riding.
--Randy
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
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That is definitely my rule, too.
Sure, there are times when I want every RIVET in the right place. Or articulated.
But I DO have an Aerotrain:
And it NEVER ran on any tracks along the Columbia River. I think.
Tailfins on a train! Can you imagine?
Ed
Oh, yeah:
Thank you all. Luckily, there are no weight restrictions on my pike, so I might go ahead and get one and go with "my railroad my rules" principle.
Simon
NDG May I suggest the GN Ry locomotives shown appear to have recently removed from service account Diesels ( 1953 ) arriving and are bound for scrapping?? They seem in good condition and not vandalized as locomotives get when written off. If locomotives of THIS SIZE were operated under steam, they would require facilities to turn and service them wherever they went. Going for scrap it would not matter as to direction of their travel and may have been handled on Divisions they never operated account their size. Going for scrap trailing might have been a different story? Ety of fuel and water?? There is a photo somewhere of two articulated locomotives going for scrap coupled cab-to-cab as the tenders were saved for other uses. Somewhere there must be operating timetables for GN Ry which would show areas where classes of locomotives permitted in service. Would there be a Tonnage Requirement to CANADA for GN to operate this size of locomotive IN SERVICE?? re wyes, rail wt, turntables, turnouts, bridges??
May I suggest the GN Ry locomotives shown appear to have recently removed from service account Diesels ( 1953 ) arriving and are bound for scrapping?? They seem in good condition and not vandalized as locomotives get when written off.
If locomotives of THIS SIZE were operated under steam, they would require facilities to turn and service them wherever they went. Going for scrap it would not matter as to direction of their travel and may have been handled on Divisions they never operated account their size. Going for scrap trailing might have been a different story? Ety of fuel and water??
There is a photo somewhere of two articulated locomotives going for scrap coupled cab-to-cab as the tenders were saved for other uses.
Somewhere there must be operating timetables for GN Ry which would show areas where classes of locomotives permitted in service.
Would there be a Tonnage Requirement to CANADA for GN to operate this size of locomotive IN SERVICE?? re wyes, rail wt, turntables, turnouts, bridges??
As I mentioned above, there was a weight limit for most of the Canadian section of the GN's Seattle to Vancouver line. And GN's articulateds (except perhaps the 2-6-6-2's and 2-6-8-0's) vastly exceeded it.
Thank You.
And thank you, NDG!
Who knew Canadians could be so wild and crazy? Good on ya.
Simon,
That loco is a GN N-3 2-8-8-0. It was a bit smaller than the 2-8-8-2's. They were used to haul iron ore in Minnesota. Some, in later years, were transferred to the Great Northern's Klamath Division, which ran from Bend, Oregon down to Nubieber, California (if I am properly pulling this out of the air). I especially like the latter, since they interacted with, and even ran a bit on the SP&S.
Again, though, that photo shows the locomotive on the dead line. Which was not in Vancouver BC.
There is no way a big GN articulated ever went to Vancouver BC.
As I said, the N-3's worked a whole lot hauling iron ore. On the Klamath line, they hauled general freight.
Yes, I was aware of this odd-looking loco (in my view anyway). Modeling the thing would take a lot of effort... with little gain from my perspective.
Going back to the 2-8-8-2, the following link is on the Vancouver BC (Canada, eh?) archives:
http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/g-n-r-steam-road-eng-2008-class-2-8-8-2
The picture was taken from Walter Frost. The site provides info on the photographer, and points out that he took many photos of trains in Vancouver (BC). My next question would be: what type of freight did these locos pull? Ore? Lumber?
Thank You
7j43k....And before and after (though not AFTER, really), too.....
Sharp-eyed observations, Ed! Thanks for pointing them out, as I completely missed the change in cylinders and couldn't figure out what I took to be fairing on the front of the smokebox...perhaps to prevent snow build-up on the headlight. An added sandbox makes a lot more sense.
Bear,
THAT is interesting. Wow.
And before and after (though not AFTER, really), too.
I say that because, in the upper photo, the locomotive is compound. In the lower, it is simple. That looks like a significant modification. So someone thought it worth the effort. The article says there were six built. I suppose it's possible that the original order was split between compounds and simples. I doubt that, though.
Also showing in this neat pair of photos is that the locomotive didn't have sand delivery for the front engine as-delivered. It was added later. What I first took to be a version of a Coffin feedwater heater turns out to be an added sandbox. It's the "thing" arching over the front of the smokebox.
So neat!
Thanks,
Cheers, the Bear.
"One difference between pessimists and optimists is that while pessimists are more often right, optimists have far more fun."
The photo is probably early '50's.
The car was delivered January 1942. Retired 1965.
That is cooooool! Any year on it?
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
Vancouver WA would be a bit more likely. The SP&S had several 4-6-6-4's.
But "they" don't seem to be talking about "our" Vancouver (quite the popular guy, what?).
And yes, there are some very neat photos in their archives. My favorite is of the CB&Q pendulum car, which did seem to be actually there. Though now I wonder if I should check.
I think this is it:
Is that cool er wut?
Perhaps it is Vancouver Washington they are talking about. I have read about articulates running between Portland and Vancouver Washington in many articles. That being said, both the City of Vancouver B.C. and the British Columbia archives are full of GN photo's
snjroy Found it, I think! It is in the City of Vancouver online Archives. Google found it for me. I can't cut and paste the link with my phone... Thanks! I wonder if there were others, although I must say these locos fit the bill!
Found it, I think! It is in the City of Vancouver online Archives. Google found it for me. I can't cut and paste the link with my phone...
Thanks! I wonder if there were others, although I must say these locos fit the bill!
I didn't feel like looking through all 300 and some GN steam photos on the Vancouver Archives.
But, do not believe that the phrase "Place access points Vancouver (B.C.)" means that the photo was actually taken there. The photo from the Archive that I am looking at of GN 2019, a 2-8-8-0, was definitely not taken in Vancouver. You will notice that the main rods have been removed. The valve gear has been removed. The cab windows are boarded up. THAT never happened in Vancouver BC. The loco is most likely sitting in a deadline. The photo date is also suspicious, because 2019 was operable in August 1953. But it WAS in a deadline in about 1960.
7j43k Trevor, Please find these pictures. It would be very unusual for a GN articulated to go to Vancouver, as the line up there is pretty flat, I believe, and the need for an articulated would be minimal. I am curious at the circumstances, and also the particular locomotives. I did find this: "On the Third Subdivision (Everett Jct to Vancouver, BC)...anything heavier than an O-5 prohibited north of White Rock." White Rock is just inside Canada from the US. An O-5 weighed 220,000 pounds. The two classes of Great Northern 2-8-8-2's weighed 532,800 pounds and 544,000 pounds. The Great Northern had no 2-8-8-4's. So, the locomotives you say went to Vancouver BC exceeded weight restrictions by more than double. I believe your sources are in error. Ed
Trevor,
Please find these pictures. It would be very unusual for a GN articulated to go to Vancouver, as the line up there is pretty flat, I believe, and the need for an articulated would be minimal. I am curious at the circumstances, and also the particular locomotives.
I did find this: "On the Third Subdivision (Everett Jct to Vancouver, BC)...anything heavier than an O-5 prohibited north of White Rock."
White Rock is just inside Canada from the US. An O-5 weighed 220,000 pounds. The two classes of Great Northern 2-8-8-2's weighed 532,800 pounds and 544,000 pounds. The Great Northern had no 2-8-8-4's.
So, the locomotives you say went to Vancouver BC exceeded weight restrictions by more than double.
I believe your sources are in error.
Being a modeller of a very loose Canadian theme here in Australia, I was wondering the same thing. I have seen pictures (plural) of a GN 2-8-8-2 or 4 (cannot remember which) purportedly taken in Vancouver BC sent as part of a news group so yes they did appear there!
Cheers
Trevor www.xdford.freeasphost.net for your interest.
When World War 2 started in September 1939, President Roosevelt started pouring everything he could over the border into Canada under the lend, lease act. So for that reason, I run whatever U.S. stuff I want on my Canadian Railroad. That's my story when people ask why I have some U.S. steam power pulling a bunch of C.P.freight cars.
I was all ready to say no. But.
The Great Northern had a lot of big articulateds. We're not talking about them. The big ones tended to work on the main line and the iron ore lines. Which weren't in Canada.
But. It also had the Class M's. They were kinda little. And strange. They were 2-6-8-0's.
And I'm looking at a photo (September 1948) of one of these, GN 1973, taken in Kettle Falls, WA. GN had a line from Kettle Falls up to Nelson, BC. In Canada. I see no reason to believe that loco never took a train up to Nelson.
Here's a shot of a real Class M:
And here's a model:
And you are in great good luck, here. W&R made an HO model of GN 1973. It is the W&R version 3. Here is a link to photos of the model of the very articulated that likely visited Canada:
https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/PDG/Detail/37031/HO-Steam-W-R-Enterprises-ARTICULATED-Great-Northern-2-6-8-0-M-2-ARTICULATED
I love articulated locos and I am looking for an excuse to add one to my layout that is set in Canada. I know of two ones that existed, one logger in BC (Canadian Wood Products), and one odd and short lived for the CP (0-8-8-0 if memory serves). I already modelled a logger, but I would like another one, and I'm wondering if any American articulated locos had any routes connecting in Canada that I could add to my layout. Have there been any??