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Manufacturers' Prototype Photos or Drawings

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Posted by fourt on Friday, February 24, 2017 6:23 PM

 Found one taken Dec 2007 of #211. Looks as if it has round and square windows. Also one from Dec 1998 of #221  # 2xx cant read it, need to scan and blow up to see rest of the number. #209 and #211 from late 90's Still have to look at rest of  old film pictures.

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Posted by fourt on Friday, February 24, 2017 3:27 AM

 I took some pictures at Roseville Ca of some of them about 15 years ago, not sure what numbers they where. Not sure if i took them with film or digtal camera, will have to look this weekend for them.

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Posted by j. c. on Friday, February 24, 2017 12:06 AM

Attuvian
Just remember, J.C., wisdom and caginess always outlasts youth and speed - as long as our clock doesn't run out! John
 

 

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Posted by Attuvian on Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:27 PM
Just remember, J.C., wisdom and caginess always outlasts youth and speed - as long as our clock doesn't run out! John
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Posted by j. c. on Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:58 PM

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Well, J.C., if you meant 209, that photo is just the cat's meow for my needs!  I had completely lost track of Fallen Flags over the last few years and will now be sure to pin it to my "favorites".

MW209 is kind of the step-sister to (7)208 in that the aft extension retains the rear door AHEAD of the last two original windows.  All the other photos of this series that I've seen have it aft of the last two quarter-paned windows.  Still wondering if there's a new stack behind the rear pyramid fairing on the roof.

When I look at the range of SP plows it's plain that their shops did plenty of "kitbashing" on their own!

Thanks for your help.

John

 

thought it looked like 206 but didn't write it down at my age its hard to remember anything for more than 5 min. i get a lot of refeance info off FF great site .

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Posted by Attuvian on Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:31 PM

Well, J.C., if you meant 209, that photo is just the cat's meow for my needs!  I had completely lost track of Fallen Flags over the last few years and will now be sure to pin it to my "favorites".

MW209 is kind of the step-sister to (7)208 in that the aft extension retains the rear door AHEAD of the last two original windows.  All the other photos of this series that I've seen have it aft of the last two quarter-paned windows.  Still wondering if there's a new stack behind the rear pyramid fairing on the roof.

When I look at the range of SP plows it's plain that their shops did plenty of "kitbashing" on their own!

Thanks for your help.

John

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Posted by j. c. on Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:03 PM

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Mel,

Thanks for your response.  The ones on the espee/railfan site are all of the later, round porthole versions.  I'm onto the earlier, square-windowed type that was steam driven. Even #208 existed in that earlier version.

John

 

 

check out fallen flags there is a good photo of 206

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:14 PM
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Posted by Attuvian on Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:56 AM
Thanks, Mel. Can't open and play with it here at work as my system won't connect to the site. Likely too many firewalls! John
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Posted by RR_Mel on Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:44 AM

The best I could do with my software is 20? at 6:1 in super sharpen
mode.  My best guess would be 208, but that’s just a guess.
 
 
 
 
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Posted by Attuvian on Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:54 AM

Thanks, Mel.

Looks like the windows, at least on the port side, have been mostly covered. At least the forward facing windows on the front are of the old style.  Could this be an intermediate version of some sort?  Do you have or can you read the MoW equipment number or have a date/location for the photo?

John

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:52 AM

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Posted by RR_Mel on Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:19 AM

I dug through my older pictures and came up with this one.
 
 
 
 
 
Mel
 
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Posted by Attuvian on Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:44 AM

Mel,

Thanks for your response.  The ones on the espee/railfan site are all of the later, round porthole versions.  I'm onto the earlier, square-windowed type that was steam driven. Even #208 existed in that earlier version.

John

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Posted by RR_Mel on Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:38 AM

I’m not sure what pictures you are looking for, there are several pictures of SP Rotaries on the Espee site . . . . 203 -222
 
 
 
 
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Manufacturers' Prototype Photos or Drawings
Posted by Attuvian on Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:08 AM

I'm wondering how hard it is to lay hold of the photos or drawings that various manufacturers use in development of models they intend to produce.  Case in point, in their Modeler Newsletter of April/May 2014, Precision Scale promoted a pending production of two versions of an SP ALCO-Leslie Rotary plow. PSC had even established part numbers for them (18592-1 and 18594-1). Apparently, neither one ever made it back across the Pacific Ocean. The second of the two, SPMW 7208, is pictured and is the '50s version that I'm hoping to kitbash from two shells of the Walthers plow that they issued a few years ago.  Couldn't spend the bucks for the brass even if it had made it to PSC's dealers!  The redo of the Walthers is necessitated by the aft extension to the originals produced by ALCO in the 20s, a great picture of which is maintained by the Denver Library.

 

I have been unable to acquire a comparable full-on side photo of #7208 or any of its sisters that would reveal the necessary proportional measurements.  There is one of the renumbered 208 taken at Sparks, NV in 1965 that is located under the wx4.org website in the Roseville Snow Service portion of their "Road of a Thousand Wonders" ( http://www.wx4.org/to/foam/sp/snow/service5.html ). It would fit the bill nicely but I can't seem to get E.O. Elliott to respond to an email regarding its availability.  Is it worth barking up Precision Scale's tree to see if they will cough up what they were using for the design of their aborted brass version?  For that matter, can anyone out there point me to another photo or source?

 

And while we're at it, what's the updated pyramid-like fairing over the added rear window?  The one at the front is probably housing the original exhaust stack but I'd think if SP had moved that to the rear they wouldn't have retained a fairing at the front.  I'm sure this little beast is still steam driven as it's still attached to a tender.

 

Obliged, friends.

 

John in Portland, OR 

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