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Questions about horns on Southern diesels

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Questions about horns on Southern diesels
Posted by MARTIN STATION on Saturday, January 9, 2016 12:39 PM

Hi

 I have a question about the 5 chime horns on Southern diesel locomotives. I have noticed that they were located at both ends of the locomotive. Were these directional, meaning only one set sounding depending on which way the engine was headed, or did both sets sound at the same time? 

Thanks, Ralph 

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Posted by pajrr on Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:50 PM

Some locomotives had dual control stands so the engineer would always be on the proper side to see the signals and stations no matter which way the locomotive was running. On locomotives like that, the engineer would use whatever set of horns was at the foward running end of the locomotive.

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Posted by MARTIN STATION on Saturday, January 9, 2016 4:10 PM

Thankyou for answering my question. I was wondering if both were used at the same time if the engine crew would have any hearing left by the end of their run!

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:25 AM

Do have a picture?  I can't find any pictures of any loco with horns on both ends.  Are you talking about the Southern RR before it became the Norfolk Southern?, and I have never seen a loco with control stands on each end, except maybe some electric locos used in passenger service.

The Southern ran with the long hood forward,  which would explain why some horns were on the long hood end.  The current NS locos have the horns in the typical locations, depending on the type of loco, either on the roof of the cab or in the middle of the body.

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Posted by Bob Schuknecht on Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:04 AM

mbinsewi

...I have never seen a loco with control stands on each end, except maybe some electric locos used in passenger service.

There is not a control stand at each end. Both control stands are in the same cab. One set up for running short hood forward and the other for running long hood forward. That way the engineer is always sitting forward and sitting on the right side of the locomotive no matter which direction the loco is facing.

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Posted by Bob Schuknecht on Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:10 AM

Here is a GP38-2 with horns at both ends.

 

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Posted by Bob Schuknecht on Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:15 AM

Another one:

 

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Posted by Bob Schuknecht on Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:18 AM

You get the idea.

 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:24 AM

Thanks Bob, the Southern had the tradition of running long hood forward, which I would guess is why the horns are on both ends.

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Posted by csxns on Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:44 AM

Have heard both horns blowed at the same time.

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Posted by MARTIN STATION on Sunday, January 10, 2016 12:30 PM

  Just to say thanks to everyone replied. I guess if both sounded at the same time it could make riding in the cab with the windows and the doors open during hot weather pretty uncomfortable when sounding the horns at road crossings. I have seen photos of Western Maryland diesel locomotives with twin 5 chime horns also. I saw a Youtube video on a CSX Genset tour and it also had horns at both ends, but they said those horns were directional, meaning only one set sounded at a time depending on the direction of the locomotive. 

Thanks again, Ralph

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Posted by 1019x on Sunday, January 17, 2016 7:01 PM

Ralpf,

The SR locomotives that were equipped with dual horns had horns that were activated by electric valves on each end. The circuit from the engineer's horn control went through the reverser so that the only horn that blew was the one in the direction of travel.

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Posted by tarnett on Monday, January 18, 2016 10:51 AM

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Posted by MARTIN STATION on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 7:20 PM

Charlie,

  Thanks, this is the answer I was looking for!

 

Ralph

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