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Having trouble finding reference for model and road
Posted by Yodarian on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 6:27 PM

I recently aquired a Athearn Blue box SDP40 (DMY) in Sante Fe - FRT paint scheme, rd# 93. but when i look up tis road number it comes up as a FP45 with cowl body. I'm just trying to find a SDP40 in the above road paint scheme so i can renumber the loco. any help would be greatly apreciated

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 6:57 PM

Google and put in Sante Fe SDP40 and you get tons of links and pictures.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 7:04 PM

Further to Randys good suggestion, here's a link that should also help.....

http://spazioinwind.libero.it/cajon/roster/sfdiesel.htm

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Posted by Yodarian on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 7:43 PM

both great suggestions, but have tried both and am still unable to find anything in the sante fe freight paint scheme for this loco model type. i'm beginning to think this is a completly fictional loco for this road

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:25 PM

 The Google search shows pictures of the Athearn #93 as well as the prototype in the same paint scheme. What am I missing? I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about Santa Fe, I'm an Eastern road modeler but I'm pretty sure the blue and yellow is the freight scheme. From what I'm seeing, it's just a bad number on the Athearn unit, but there are plenty of prototype photos to pick a correct number from.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:28 PM

Yodarian
i'm beginning to think this is a completly fictional loco for this road

If you are referrng to the paint scheme, I think you are right. 

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Posted by Mark R. on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:41 PM

Santa Fe roster lists don't show any SDP40s. (?) They had SDP40Fs, but no straight SDP40s.

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:13 PM

And the SDP40F's were trades from Amtrak. 

Ah, another Athearn fantasy paint job. Hey, put Santa Fe on it, it will sell!

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Posted by Yodarian on Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:25 PM

Randy, you are are correct about google, but you are looking at a toy. According to Santa fe roster, #93 is a Cowl bodied FP45 in the red war bonnet paint scheme. There are actually 2 blue and yellow paint scheme for Santa Fe, the freight paint scheme for Santa Fe and the blue and yellow war bonnet for "Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe"ATSF. Im still learnig things myself and may have some terms wrong. I was just hope to find the prototype for this loco. Mark, that is why im believe this is a fictional loco to appeal to the person who wanted this loco with this paint scheme on this road. Not to mention....after searching for the prototype....i have come to find many faults and inacuraties in the model. I will have fun learnig techiques to correct the mistakes and will choose a proper paint scheme  for this loco.

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, September 10, 2015 6:38 AM

rrinker

And the SDP40F's were trades from Amtrak. 

Yep.

Here is what ATSF Rail Fan has to say about the Amtrack-ATSF deal.

By 1984, what few SDP40F's remained on Amtrak had been stored or reduced to work train service. That year, an unusual locomotive swap was worked out between Amtrak and Santa Fe. The passenger carrier was in need of switchers to replace an aging fleet of Alcos and early EMD's, and Santa Fe just happened to be selling off its 1500 hp CF7's and 1200 hp SSB1200's. Amtrak has never enjoyed a generous capital budget, but in 1984 it did have several SDP40F's it no longer needed or wanted. Carbody aside, an SDP40F is essentially an SD40-2, the most popular freight locomotive ever built in the US, and in fact the SDP40F's had been built with the idea that if Amtrak failed, the locomotives could be sold to freight railroads. In September 1984, a deal was struck that gave Amtrak 25 CF7's and 18 SSB1200's from Santa Fe in exchange for 18 SDP40F's.

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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, September 10, 2015 6:43 AM

Yodarian

Randy, you are are correct about google, but you are looking at a toy. According to Santa fe roster, #93 is a Cowl bodied FP45 in the red war bonnet paint scheme. There are actually 2 blue and yellow paint scheme for Santa Fe, the freight paint scheme for Santa Fe and the blue and yellow war bonnet for "Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe"ATSF. Im still learnig things myself and may have some terms wrong. I was just hope to find the prototype for this loco. Mark, that is why im believe this is a fictional loco to appeal to the person who wanted this loco with this paint scheme on this road. Not to mention....after searching for the prototype....i have come to find many faults and inacuraties in the model. I will have fun learnig techiques to correct the mistakes and will choose a proper paint scheme  for this loco.

 

 

My Google search returned pictures of the SDP40F's as well as the Athearn model, not just pictures of models.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, September 10, 2015 7:11 AM

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Posted by wp8thsub on Thursday, September 10, 2015 10:34 AM

A photo of an SDP40F ex-Amtrak unit won't help with an SDP40, as they look almost completely different.  There were only 20 SDP40 locos built, of which only 6 were ordered by a US road (Great Northern), while the rest went to Mexico and the N de M.  Burlington Northern took over the GN units (one of which later was acquired by Montana Rail Link and another two by leasing companies), while some of the N de M units were later owned by the Kansas City Southern.  I've never seen an indication that Santa Fe ever owned one.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_SDP40 

It was an odd choice for Athearn to produce, and the tooling quality was pretty lousy.  Athearn introduced the model at roughly the same time as EMD, so maybe they were anticipating the prototype would enjoy much greater sales success than it did.  Nearly all the paint jobs Athearn used were made up.

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Posted by Yodarian on Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:20 PM

I had pretty much assumed i wasn't going crazy...im pretty good at finding things online. I will say the Wiki link helped out very much...APPARENTLY, KSC aquired two SDP40 which has been upgraded and converted to SD22ECO. the look the same on the exterior.....just got upgraded prime mower and control features. lucy for me i have been trying to buy a KCS loco and keep losing at the last minute on Ebay.....so after fixing some inacuracies on the nose and front end.....this loco will repainted to represent KCS #2600, SD22ECO. thanks for all the help and links. it really pushed me to digg depper and not just write this loco off as a fantasy.

 

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Posted by ndbprr on Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:12 PM
As I recall when with Amtrak they experienced a high number of derailments at speed. The cause was never determined.
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Posted by Yodarian on Thursday, September 10, 2015 5:55 PM

well i guess moving them to freight service was in the best interest. seeing as the speeds are slower. thanks again for all the help

 

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