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Southern Wooden Passenger car retirement dates?

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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, September 23, 2015 8:22 AM

C&NW also used wooden cars (with open platforms at the ends IIRC) on Chicagoland commuter trains into the 1950's I believe.

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Posted by wabash2800 on Tuesday, September 22, 2015 12:36 AM

I think the last hurrah for wooden passenger cars on class one railroads was during WWII when older cars were pressed in service. However, I think I've seen photos of wooden head-end cars on smaller class ones like the Rutland, B&A and B&M taken in the early 50s. The B&M was still using wooden cars in commuter service in the late 40s I think.

 

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Posted by West Coast S on Tuesday, September 15, 2015 5:33 PM

SP typically got about 80 years of service out of its wooden fleet with frequent rebuildings well after adoption of steel cars, cascaded down into MW service after WWII with disposal occuring in the late 50's as they were too worn out even for this assignment, but not all suffered this fate as SP was not to retire its final example until 1962 from revenue service.

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Posted by DemoRunner on Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:42 PM
Thanks guys. The MOW cars are a good idea, perhaps if I can't find a reasonable price for the car then I could convert it into one of those.
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Posted by wjstix on Sunday, September 6, 2015 11:19 PM

Wooden (or at least partially wooden) passenger cars lasted much longer in the old South than in other parts of the country, because old hand-me-down equipment was often used for "Jim Crow" cars; that is, cars for black passengers who by law had to be segregated from white passengers. It's unlikely a top-of-the-line train in the 1950's would have a wooden car, but it wouldn't be that unusual for a lesser train to have all heavyweight or mixed heavyweight and streamlined cars with a wood "Jim Crow" coach in the mix.

Otherwise, wood cars lasted a long time in Maintenance of Way service. I remember seeing (but unfortunately didn't have a camera with me to photograph) some woodsided passenger cars being used in MofW service on Burlington Northern in 1984, with the cars still wearing the "Empire Builder" green-and-orange paint scheme.

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Posted by JOHN BRUCE III on Sunday, September 6, 2015 10:09 AM

The watershed event for US passenger eqipment was the opening of New York's Pennsylvania Station in 1910. Because the PRR crossed the Hudson in underwater tunnels, there was a safety issue that surfaced in a Paris Metro disaster, wherein a fire used up all the air in the subway tunnel and asphyxiated many passengers. The fire was fed by wood cars. As a result, the PRR, which was the 500 pound gorilla of railroading up to the 1940s, declared that only all steel equipment would be allowed into Penn Station. This hit Pullman very hard, and they quickly had to replace much of their fleet. (Pullman wood cars were then used only in secondary service.) The Southern was also affected. They had recently received hybrid steel-wood cars that were the prototype for the Rivarossi heavyweight coach of the 1960s, but they had to be rebuilt as all steel, so even the Rivarossis didn't last long in that configuration. But also, the Southern acquired streamlined equipment before WWII on trains like the Crescent, so wood equipment would have been at least two generations back by 1950. You might find a wood coach or combine on a branch train, but not on any mainline train.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, September 4, 2015 6:23 AM
Yeah well your studies certainly take priority but it’s good to see that you enjoy the research, not only may it help stop those dreaded assumptionsWink, but the brain needs a break every now and then; “All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy”
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Posted by DemoRunner on Thursday, September 3, 2015 6:26 PM
Thanks for the quick input! I shall be bookmarking that page, as it's quite conveniently the exact deadline year I'm trying to instill over myself. Your advice is appreciated and I do hope to join both the SRRHS and N&WHS soon, but it will probably have to wait til I graduate next year to make sure all of my funds are in order. That should fly by though! I am thoroughly enjoying all the research that comes with this hobby so far, but this was a case of assumptions I shouldn't have made. I suppose I'll be making some calls, and hopefully I can make a trade, or at least cancel the back ordered one.
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Posted by "JaBear" on Thursday, September 3, 2015 6:10 PM
Gidday, I am unable to specifically answer your question as to the retirement date of wooden passenger cars but as you mention the Southern Crescent in the early 50s, here’s a link to the Southern Railway ORER of November 1951. I’ve only had a very quick look and apart from some classes of Baggage and Express cars having steel underframes , everything else appears to be of steel construction.

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......I've yet to join the Historical Societies because I can't build a model railroad just yet.

I would suggest that as you appear to have settled on the Southern Railway as the one you wish to model, now would be the best time to join the historical society and not only to avoid buying the wrong equipment, don’t worry you won’t be the first or the last to make that mistake, (anyone want to buy some roller bearing trucks?Embarrassed). I believe the more research you do now the better it will be in the long run.
If you look here they advertise decals for Southern passenger cars. Modelling a railroad is a lot more involved than just building a layout, besides a project of doing up cars to suit your Railway and era helps keep your interest up and your hand in, so to speak.

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Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 3, 2015 5:38 PM

Don't know about exact dates but a wooden car would probably have not survived the 1920's in a premier train.  It might have made it into the 1950's on some backwoods branchline or in work train service .  My guess is they would have been removed prior to 1930.

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Southern Wooden Passenger car retirement dates?
Posted by DemoRunner on Thursday, September 3, 2015 4:35 PM

Hello, I have a question about around what times wooden passenger cars were retired, specifically on the Southern Railroad. I bought two cars that turned out to be wooden which were on sale, and now I'm a little anxious. I don't think wooden cars were used very late after steel was introduced, so if anyone knows if these cars were retired completely from the Southern Crescent by the early '50s, and maybe a little more background info, I'd really appreciate it. I may have to ship them back and exchange for something else, as much as it is a pain the butt to find Southern passenger cars :(. Oh well, it's up to me to try and research these things beforehand. It seems real tough to find specific things like this with just a google search, and I've yet to join the Historical Societies because I can't build a model railroad just yet.

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