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No.1 scale, what's the gauge and size ratio?
No.1 scale, what's the gauge and size ratio?
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Sterling1
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From: Traveling in Middle Earth
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No.1 scale, what's the gauge and size ratio?
Posted by
Sterling1
on Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:42 PM
What is the size of No.1 gauge? I barely skimed the article in the latest Model Railroader, but I want to know if you can run live steam using No.1 gauge. Also are there any other gauges that work well with live steam? Is it possible to run live diesel and/or live electric train operations using these gauges?
"There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.]
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egmurphy
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January 2003
From: Mexico
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Posted by
egmurphy
on Thursday, November 18, 2004 5:54 PM
QUOTE: What is the size of No.1 gauge?
see: http://www.thescalecard.com/HTMLPages/Scale_or_Gauge.html
It says: "When you're asked what scale do you run, do you answer, "G-gauge." What G-gauge?
The problem with the term G-gauge is that, in reality there is no such thing! It refers to the Number 1 gauge track. The oldest existing gauge track in existence.
Originally "G-gauge" meant LGB.
LGB selected Number 1 gauge as the track width, which is 45mm, for their "narrow gauge" Garden Trains. Number 1 gauge track was around before the turn of the century and readily available.
They then selected European O Scale (1:45) and doubled the scale of the locomotives and rolling stock. This made the scale 1:22.5. In doing so they now had a fairly realistic representation of a one meter narrow gauge in Europe. For years they were the standard in "narrow gauge" garden trains.
Therefore, LGB is in 1:22.5 SCALE as are Bachmann.
Aristo-Craft and USA Trains are in 1:29 SCALE, Aster and Row & Company are in 1:32 SCALE. They build standard gauge locomotives and rolling stock. There are also a few specialty manufactures that make a 1:20.3 SCALE, a true three-foot narrow gauge, rolling stock.
But, they all use the same 45mm track or Number 1 gauge ("G-gauge")! "
Sorry, can't help with the live steam questions.
Regards
Ed
The Rail Images Page of Ed Murphy
"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion and avoid the people, you might better stay home." - James Michener
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Anonymous
Member since
April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:14 PM
Live Steam is available for 1 guage track. Low end is Mamod with pricing about $300 which uses ocillating cylinders. High end can be many many dollars with great detail. Other names are RoundHouse (no space), Aster, Accucraft. Magazines to locate makes and vendors are Garden Railway and Live Steam.
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Anonymous
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April 2003
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Posted by
Anonymous
on Friday, November 19, 2004 8:19 AM
F.Y.I, Guage 1 in Europe is called Spur 1, in ebay Germany,
http://www.ebay.de, link under "Modelbau", "Spur 1". It's all in German but fun to look.
LGB = ""Lehmann-Gross-Bahn" = "Lehmann-Big-Train"
Have a nice day.
Bob
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Jetrock
Member since
August 2003
From: Midtown Sacramento
3,340 posts
Posted by
Jetrock
on Friday, November 19, 2004 8:27 AM
Heck, you can have live steam in OO gauge if you want it...
http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/livestm_live.aspx
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Sterling1
Member since
February 2002
From: Traveling in Middle Earth
795 posts
Posted by
Sterling1
on Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:47 AM
In that article the guy who was building that British loco in No.1 scale, it seemed that it had all the working detail. I didn't read the article but is it possible to run live steam wiht that kind of locomotive? Also what does No.1 scale scale down to i.e. a UP 4-8-4 Northern' size, height width and length?
"There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.]
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Anonymous
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April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:45 AM
No.1 is track size which is 45mm. Scale is 1/32 for standard, 1/22 for European meter narrow gauge, and 1/20.3 for American narrow gauge. Vendors also manufacture 1/29 and 1/24 for other reasons. The Northern you are asking about should be 1/32. Sorry, I don't have the model length, width and height with me at the moment.
HO track is another example which can support several scales, HO, OO and On3.
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IRONROOSTER
Member since
June 2003
From: Culpeper, Va
8,204 posts
Posted by
IRONROOSTER
on Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:50 PM
No 1 scale is 1/32. The standard gauge track for No 1 is also used as narrow gauge for what is called G or Large Scale. While 1/29 trains use this track for standard gauge trains it is actually narrow gauge for 1/29 (roughly 4'3").
HO track is used for British OO, but American OO uses the correct gauge. American OO standard gauge is the same as On3. HO standard gauge in American O scale is On30. Amercian OO is in serious decline probably because its scale (1:76) is too close to HO and it never had a large following. British OO was first used because the British engines when scaled down to HO were too small for the motors of the time, however, it continued to use HO track. This incorrect combination is still popular today in Britain. Unfortunately this difference between British and American OO is not always made clear and you'll see reference to OO/On3 (usually for track) - with OO in this case being American OO not British OO. When you see HO/OO the OO is British OO.
Welcome to the wonderful wacky world of scales and gauges.[:D][:D]
Enjoy
Paul
If you're having fun, you're doing it the right way.
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Sterling1
Member since
February 2002
From: Traveling in Middle Earth
795 posts
Posted by
Sterling1
on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:08 PM
Is it possible to run live steam with the level of detail put in by that British guy in the article?
"There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.]
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Sterling1
Member since
February 2002
From: Traveling in Middle Earth
795 posts
Posted by
Sterling1
on Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:18 PM
BTW:
www.railpictures.net
is great place to go to for pictures . . . if you know what to look for . . .
"There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.]
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