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Old 40 ft covered hoppers.

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Old 40 ft covered hoppers.
Posted by DavidH66 on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 3:58 PM

I recently saw an old two-bay N&W hoppper and I wondered what are they hauling these days? They got to be at least 35-40 years old at minimum and they are rough looking as all heck.

 

What does NS use these for?

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Posted by jrbernier on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 4:13 PM

  If they are over 40 years old, they are hauling nothing - They are scrap.  If they were built before July 1st, 1974, they are 'outlawed' from interchange service(unless they have had a very expensive rebuild, and that is for only another 10 years).

  Of course, they could be in captive service and not interchanged - and exempt from the above rule.

  Current freight cars(built on July 1st, 1974 or later)are '50 year' cars....

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Posted by wp8thsub on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 4:30 PM

A common use for old two-bay covered hoppers is hauling sand for locomotives.

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Posted by tedtedderson on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:40 PM

jrbernier

  If they are over 40 years old, they are hauling nothing - They are scrap.  If they were built before July 1st, 1974, they are 'outlawed' from interchange service(unless they have had a very expensive rebuild, and that is for only another 10 years).

  Of course, they could be in captive service and not interchanged - and exempt from the above rule.

  Current freight cars(built on July 1st, 1974 or later)are '50 year' cars....

Jim

 

What are the chances one of these is in captive service? 

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Posted by WSOR 3801 on Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:02 AM

Did you get a car number?  NW 182xxx are looking pretty ratty, but were built 1990 or so.  I see them used for frac sand.  SOU 92xxx and CR 883xxx are even rattier, they are using them up.  As long as they can turn a wheel, and hold most of the load in...  One frac sand outfit around here has leased a batch of new cars, the older ones are loosing too much product en route.  

The MILW plug door box would not be in service any longer.  Might find one set off in a yard, off its wheels, for storage.  

 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:53 PM

Another use for old covered hoppers is as buffer cars between the loco and tank cars.  Supposedly, they're loaded with sand as an additional safety feature.
Here's one, seen in Rochester, PA. on an oil train this past August.


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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:57 PM

jrbernier
If they are over 40 years old, they are hauling nothing - They are scrap.

Unless these hoppers went through a rebuild program then they are good for several more years.

2 bay hoppers haul sand,cement and other like lading.

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Posted by DavidH66 on Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:00 PM
It was a NW 182XXX series, which makes me curious why they made it with NW markings so long after the merger?
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Posted by jrbernier on Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:34 PM

David,

NS 'owns' those reporting marks.  UP owns MSL, CMO, CGW - all were merged into CNW many years ago.  UP used them on new long term leased cars so they can track them easier.  Many times cars that are not planned to be a major part of the inventory keep their old reporting marks/numbers if they do not conflict with the new cars.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, November 7, 2014 2:04 AM

DavidH66
It was a NW 182XXX series, which makes me curious why they made it with NW markings so long after the merger?
 

I see lots of NW cars and some with N&W's "hamburger herald"..Same for Southern Ry cars.

Why are these still in use today?

Simply put railroads do not worry about repainting every car into the new merger road because it would cost millions of dollars to do so.

It has nothing to do with freight car heritage schemes as some railfans says..Its more about keeping the cost down and keeping the investors happy.

Larry

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