Trains.com

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

atsf zebra stripes locomotives advice

3084 views
16 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    April 2011
  • 273 posts
atsf zebra stripes locomotives advice
Posted by stefanuccio on Monday, June 23, 2014 3:55 PM

Hi All

I have decided to open another discussion to ask advice about a project i would like to realise

I have 5 locomotives of the ATSF early diesel transitional era all of them are zebra stipes i would like to make a diorama or a small lay-out to have this locos prototopically at home i would like very much an advice on how to achieve this as it is my first American lay-out and i need all the guidance i can get

I was thinking of a service facility yard were to display locos that are coming in for a service/revision or a rest

what do you advice me to do ?

the following are the locomotives in my roster

RS-1   S-2   GP 7   FM 16-44 [2] all of them are in black with silver stripes of the ATSF

thanks for your guidance

 

  • Member since
    February 2012
  • 596 posts
Posted by charlie9 on Monday, June 23, 2014 4:29 PM

I am leaning toward the Kansas City area.  I have seen photos of the FM's working out of Argentine in the early 50's.  I believe the GP-7's were often there.  Can't say for sure about the Alco engines but the RS-1's were used a lot for passenger terminal duties.  Did ATSF do their own switching at KC Union Station?

Charlie

  • Member since
    April 2011
  • 273 posts
Posted by stefanuccio on Monday, June 23, 2014 5:14 PM

hi Charlie

Argentine seems a good choise but i will probably need to do a somewhat small service facility ficticious location to accomodate the oddity of the the different locomotives and get some larger modeller licence

I was thinking of somenthing of a service small yard for locomotives or and cars with this  ATSF diesels bringing in boxcars with spare parts and replacements items being unloded at the facility

Is this a feasible purpose at an american service yard [atsf] around the late 1950s ?

need your advice and guidance

thanks 

 

  • Member since
    September 2004
  • From: Dearborn Station
  • 24,014 posts
Posted by richhotrain on Monday, June 23, 2014 5:55 PM

Is your mind set on an engine servicing facility.  Most, if not all, of your black/white zebra stripe locos were found in passenger stations and coach yards performing switching chores and passenger car movements. 

You could set up a stub end passenger station and nearby coach yard like Dearborn in Chicago.  Maybe add a passenger car wash facility.   Those facilities often featured box cars as well for various purposes.

Just a thought.

Rich

Alton Junction

  • Member since
    April 2011
  • 273 posts
Posted by stefanuccio on Monday, June 23, 2014 6:07 PM

hi Rich

this is infact an excellent idea

what was the purpose of the boxcars in general ?

  • Member since
    August 2013
  • 3,006 posts
Posted by ACY Tom on Monday, June 23, 2014 6:54 PM

If Frank is listening in, maybe he can comment on this.  Santa Fe had a passenger loco servicing area near the 21st Street interlocking in Chicago, but its freight operations were concentrated farther west.  That was outside my own territory.  Can anybody describe the facilities for Santa Fe freight locos in Chicago during the 1950's - 1960's?  That might be a pretty good option, and a visiting RS-1 from the passenger service side probably wouldn't be out of place by much.

  • Member since
    April 2011
  • 273 posts
Posted by stefanuccio on Monday, June 23, 2014 7:47 PM

excellent idea

hi Frank

where are you ? can you help or comment on this suggestion ?

any other experienced member's suggestions?

thanks

  • Member since
    September 2004
  • From: Dearborn Station
  • 24,014 posts
Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:37 AM

ACY

If Frank is listening in, maybe he can comment on this.  Santa Fe had a passenger loco servicing area near the 21st Street interlocking in Chicago, but its freight operations were concentrated farther west.  That was outside my own territory.  Can anybody describe the facilities for Santa Fe freight locos in Chicago during the 1950's - 1960's?  That might be a pretty good option, and a visiting RS-1 from the passenger service side probably wouldn't be out of place by much.

 

Corwith Yard at 39th and Kedzie, on the southwest side of Chicago, not far from Midway Airport, was the freight yard built by AT&SF well before the beginning of the 20th century.  It was the largest freight yard in the world at one time.  

Its primary purpose was to serve as the eastern terminus of the AT&SF freight operations.   Cattle were the principal commodity being shipped into Chicago and then transferred to the nearby Chicago Stock Yards.

Produce from the West Coast was also shipped east in refrigerated cars.  Santa Fe switchers and yard locos would make the runs between Corwith and Dearborn Station.

A third purpose of freight was to haul supplies for passenger operations from the West Coast to facilities at Dearborn Station and its nearby coach yard and servicing facility at 1th Street.

Rich

Alton Junction

  • Member since
    January 2010
  • From: Chi-Town
  • 7,706 posts
Posted by zstripe on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:31 AM

Here I is,

The site that Rich is referring to, was Corwith Hump yard. The Hump started at 47th & Archer Ave right over the steel underpass that was there. It extended all the way to 39th and Pershing road. To the west towards the rear of the complex were the engine shops, fuel, engine repair very large complex. You could see most of the facility hump yard side from my parents house attic two story building. I lived there 10yrs. One and a half blocks from the hump yard. They used twin SD7 Zebra stripe engines for the hump and many of their freight trains. RS 1's, 2's and SD's were a versitle engine used for pass or freight. Used to be a real large carloading facility on the west side of that yard, starting at 47th st. Very well known name called Clipper Carloading. Drake ave. paralleled the Hump yard, I lived one half block east of Drake on St. Louis ave. starting 1956.

Around the 80's, not sure on date that whole facility was changed to an Intermodal yard, but all the service facilities are still there.

Take Care! Big Smile

Frank

  • Member since
    September 2004
  • From: Dearborn Station
  • 24,014 posts
Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:57 AM

Frank, that is so cool  Got any photos?

Rich

Alton Junction

  • Member since
    January 2010
  • From: Chi-Town
  • 7,706 posts
Posted by zstripe on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:19 AM

Rich,

Sad to say No. I have some of the house and a couple of cars I had then. I had a layout in that attic, don't even have any pic's of that, just memories. I was a teenager then, so I really wasn't thinking that much about trains. Stick out tongue

By the way, You mentioned 39th & Kedzie, technically that's not true. From 43rd & Kedzie to 38th st & Kedzie was Crane Co. Foundry, the ones that make toilet bowls, bath tubs and plumbing. West of Kedzie about four blocks was A.T.S.F yard. Now A.T.S.F. owns all that land and the entrance to the Intermodal yard is at 41st & Kedzie. Used to pull loads out of there, when I was leased to Galaxy Transport, one of the trucks I used was the one in my Avatar.

Take Care! Big Smile

Frank

  • Member since
    September 2004
  • From: Dearborn Station
  • 24,014 posts
Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:44 AM

Frank, it's hard to pinpoint the exact location.

As I look at my 1946 railroad map book, the lead track into Corwith off the AT&SF mainline was at 38th and Central Park.  So, the yard beginning at 39th Street (Pershing Road) is about right.   But I will grant you, Kedzie is 3200 West and Central Park is 3600 West.   So, sue me.  

LOL

Rich

Alton Junction

  • Member since
    January 2010
  • From: Chi-Town
  • 7,706 posts
Posted by zstripe on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:40 PM

Rich,

Laugh Laugh Gotta' lotta' money?

Big Smile

Frank

  • Member since
    September 2004
  • From: Dearborn Station
  • 24,014 posts
Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:35 PM

Frank, have you seen this before?

http://www.craneco.com/Media/crane_150.pdf

Check out pages 34 and 35.

Rich

Alton Junction

  • Member since
    April 2011
  • 273 posts
Posted by stefanuccio on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:49 PM

hi Frank

thanks very much for your excellent informations much appreciate

Rich

same goes for you

You guys on this forum are living encyclopedia

thanks to all

  • Member since
    January 2010
  • From: Chi-Town
  • 7,706 posts
Posted by zstripe on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:35 PM

Rich,

No I have never seen the PDF. But the building with the clock tower was facing Kedzie ave. That whole complex, had a concrete and vertical black iron bar fence all around it. It was gigantic and well kept. Many, many steel trucks were parked on 43rd st by the side entrance. From the fence to the street used to be all grass, until all trucks had to enter there, then it was gravel. Rather than tie up Kedzie ave. At the west end was the rail service, gondolas full of scrap iron and pig.

Thanks for the link. Big Smile

Frank

  • Member since
    January 2010
  • From: Chi-Town
  • 7,706 posts
Posted by zstripe on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:38 PM

Stefanuccio,

You are very welcome...My friend. Glad I could help.

Have A Good One! Big Smile

Frank

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Search the Community

ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
Model Railroader Newsletter See all
Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox!