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Navy Shipyard
Posted by steamfreightboy on Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:33 AM

I want to model a navy shipyard on my layout. what type of equipement would be delivered there and what would be exported?

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Posted by dehusman on Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:50 AM

Steel plate, steel shapes, pipe, construction materials, machinery, motors, engines, boilers, turbines, appliances, oil, paint, stores (supplies) in.

Scrap and used machinery to be refurbished out.

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Posted by 7j43k on Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:55 PM
And let's not forget about guns and gun barrels.

Pennsy had 124 cars in their F22 class of flat cars. The primary mission of these cars was to carry gun barrels (big ones for battleships and the like). In this service, they were used with one at each end of the barrel, with an idler car between as appropriate. Pictures of the cars with gun barrel loads are not difficult to find. They were, of course, used to carry other things, as the need arose. The cars were about 30' long, and were rated first at 150,000 pounds capacity, later 190,000 pounds--sturdy little fellas.

They've been made in brass at a not unreasonable price, and also in plastic at a good bit lower price by Model Die Casting (Roundhouse). Athearn now sells them on occasion, but they aren't currently listed as available.

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Posted by Dave-the-Train on Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:11 PM

There was a long thread full of good stuff on this last year.  I did a quick search under "navy" and came up with tons of stuff... it'll be in there somewhere... Approve

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Posted by dehusman on Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:08 PM

7j43k
And let's not forget about guns and gun barrels.

Pennsy had 124 cars in their F22 class of flat cars. The primary mission of these cars was to carry gun barrels (big ones for battleships and the like). In this service, they were used with one at each end of the barrel, with an idler car between as appropriate. Pictures of the cars with gun barrel loads are not difficult to find. They were, of course, used to carry other things, as the need arose.

Just to keep things in perspective, the only time a large gun barrel would be shipped is when the ship was being built or undergoing a major repair or refit.  So unless you are modeling from about 1940-1945 the shipment of gun barrels to a navy yard would be a relatively rare shipment.  You would see way more engines (such as Baldwin or FM) and way, way, way more steel plate than gun barrels.  Prior to 1940 the Navy wasn't building many ships and after 1945 was retiring and scrapping more ships (and gun mounts) than they were building.  So if you are modeling after WW2, its more likely to see a gun barrel cut up and loaded for scrap outbound in a gon than being shipped into a navy base to be installed.  After WW2 the navy was retiring guns and replacing them with missle systems.

 

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Posted by steamfreightboy on Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:43 PM

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And let's not forget about guns and gun barrels.

Pennsy had 124 cars in their F22 class of flat cars. The primary mission of these cars was to carry gun barrels (big ones for battleships and the like). In this service, they were used with one at each end of the barrel, with an idler car between as appropriate. Pictures of the cars with gun barrel loads are not difficult to find. They were, of course, used to carry other things, as the need arose.

Just to keep things in perspective, the only time a large gun barrel would be shipped is when the ship was being built or undergoing a major repair or refit.  So unless you are modeling from about 1940-1945 the shipment of gun barrels to a navy yard would be a relatively rare shipment.  You would see way more engines (such as Baldwin or FM) and way, way, way more steel plate than gun barrels.  Prior to 1940 the Navy wasn't building many ships and after 1945 was retiring and scrapping more ships (and gun mounts) than they were building.  So if you are modeling after WW2, its more likely to see a gun barrel cut up and loaded for scrap outbound in a gon than being shipped into a navy base to be installed.  After WW2 the navy was retiring guns and replacing them with missle systems.

 

I do want to model WWII. thanks for the insight

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:08 PM
Funaro & Camerlengo also makes the PRR F22's, though at $37 each, they aren't bargains. And you need two. The brass ones I think I've seen for about $100 painted and lettered--your choice. And the MDC/Athearn ones shouldn't be much at all, if/when you find them. All this assuming you want to do the heavy gun barrel project. I hope to someday, just for fun.

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Posted by steamfreightboy on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:12 AM
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Posted by cbq9911a on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:22 PM

steamfreightboy

I want to model a navy shipyard on my layout. what type of equipement would be delivered there and what would be exported?

sfb

 

A Navy base during WWII would receive large quantities of coal, typically 10 to 20 cars per week in winter.

Most incoming freight would be in boxcars, with special handling rules for some cargoes like ammunition.

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Posted by bpickering on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:23 PM

cbq9911a
A Navy base during WWII would receive large quantities of coal, typically 10 to 20 cars per week in winter.

Most incoming freight would be in boxcars, with special handling rules for some cargoes like ammunition.

 

VERY special handling rules. Here's the results of a variety of mistakes put together, during WWII:

Port Chicago, CA

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Posted by jmbjmb on Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:18 PM

And let's not forget lots of fuel oil, diesel, and gas and maybe av gas if a flying unit was there, food, produce, you name it. Basically all the supplies a small city would need, both for the base itself and for the ships.   

There have been many times I've thought about modeling a WWII ship yard in honor of my mother who worked in one building LSTs.  Just never had the room.  Post us some pictures when you get it going.  Good luck.

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Posted by tgindy on Friday, January 29, 2010 2:17 PM

Check out Building the Navy's Bases in World War II.  Not all Navy yards were dockside, but also inland supply depots like Mechanicsburg, PA, with 50 miles of trackage on 850 acres.

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Posted by Railroader_Sailor_SSN-760 on Friday, January 29, 2010 2:47 PM

 Don't forget ships if you are making a pier side shipyard. Depending on the scale and the type of ship chosen, it can be huge or small.

 I am constructing buildings and such for a small Navy base for my TT scale layout, complete with a model of my old boat, the USS Annapolis (SSN-760), which will be about 3' long itself.

 Good luck with your layout.

So many scales, so many trains, so little time.....

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