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Covered Hoppers That Haul Carbon Black
Posted by Omaha Road Man on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:49 PM

As some of you may know from my previous posts I will be modeling the US Rubber tire plant in Eau Claire, Wisconsin on my future layout circa 1950.  Through my research I've determined the plant recieved carbon black shipments in covered hoppers.  I've found some pictures of these online; all black and lettered for the company that produces the carbon.

My question is this: how many companies produced carbon black?  Did they all have their own hoppers, were they all painted black?  Was carbon black ever shipped in regular (ie lettered for the home road) hoppers?

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Posted by ericsp on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:17 AM

I have never seen evidence of carbon black being shipped in non-specialized cars. If you are looking for carbon black hoppers for the 1950s, you are in luck, Railshop makes a model of one.

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Posted by dknelson on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:28 AM

Carbon black is evidently not easy to ship or store due to its tendency to cake, and the tendency of pellets to become powder.  This suggests to me that once a car is used for carbon black there is likely little appetite to clean it thoroughly enough to use for other ladings.   It also suggests that perhaps the unloading hoppers are a bit different than those used for other materials. Hence the specialized and dedicated car.  I also have read that carbon black is readily contaminated particularly with bits of iron -- it tends to be stored in silos lined with stainless steel.  So the interior of the car may be different also

In this web entry eaneubauer.ipower.com/bookcat.pdf

Eric'r Railroad Car History Book Catalog 1/1/09, I found an intriguing entry for a book on carbon black cars from 1990, price $30

This is not to say that if you don't want to purchase a specialized (read: pricey) model of a carbon black car that you couldn't take an available covered hopper, paint it black (which all carbon black cars seem to be) and appropriately decal it. 

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM

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My question is this: how many companies produced carbon black?  Did they all have their own hoppers, were they all painted black?  Was carbon black ever shipped in regular (ie lettered for the home road) hoppers?

Carbon black is produced by several companies, Sid Richardson and Cabot are two of the biggest.  They both have multiple plants.

Pretty much every carbon black car I've ever seen was painted black because it was going to end up that color anyway.

Carbon black (as others have stated) is tricky to unload so a standard bottom outlet car isn't a good method to use.  They carbon black covered hoppers are specially equipped cars with specialized fittings typical of cars handling very fine powders.  As such they are all privat cars.

If you loaded carbon black into a regular car it would have to be a very clean car, once the black was loaded  it would contaminate the car and would be very costly to clean the car to load something else.  Even loading carbon black in boxes or containers into a boxcar contaminates the boxcar (just as loading hides does). and requires the car to be cleaned.  That's why carbon black covered hoppers are some of the earliest varieties of covered hoppers.

So you are pretty much stuck with boxcars of containers of carbon black or specialized covered hoppers.

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Posted by Dave-the-Train on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:14 PM

I have a neighbour who made tyres with Michelin in the 70s.  His opinion of the filthiness of carbon black is unprintable.

Athearn decorate one of their Centreflow hoppers as a Carbon Black car.  There was an article in one of the model RR mags about how to change the incorrect (standard for all the models) hopper outlets to the correct style,  IIRC the type put on were completely different from Athearns,,, the new ones were circular when looked at from above with a central outlet to which a hose would be attached from below - so the load went out downwards instead of sideways.

I guess this might be too late a period for what you want but it might be a guide to what to look for when looking at any pics of earlier cars.

I very much doubt that anyone else would want anything to do with shipping carbon black other than the people that made or received it.  If/when boxcars were used they were probably in captive service... and scrapped when done with... in those days they probably ran them to a remote spur and burnt them.

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:09 PM

Dave-the-Train
IIRC the type put on were completely different from Athearns,,, the new ones were circular when looked at from above with a central outlet to which a hose would be attached from below - so the load went out downwards instead of sideways.

Correct, they are pneumatic outlets.

F&C sell a resin carbon black car kit.  Go to HO, Freight cars, CABOT.

http://fandckits.com/

 If you can find it there is an old book of car plans, I think its Kalmbach, its a 30-40 year old softcover book, a "cars you can build" type book.  It has plans and how to for a carbon black car.

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Posted by Omaha Road Man on Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:10 AM

Thanks a ton guys, really useful info.

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Posted by leighant on Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:59 AM

Here is my file of refrerences to carbon black cars of the 1950s.  I entered these with spaces between listings but they sometimes get all jumbled together when posted on the trains.com board.  The references to decals are to decals available 20-30 years ago, probably out of date.

 

CABOT CARBON CO.  LO   CABX 21     3000 cu.ft.  80,000 lb.capy  blt 1933 ACF    pix _Train Shed Cyclopedia #5_  p.299 (not in 54 Reg)   CABX 22 O scale scratchblt _ModRRer_ Feb94 p.121    CABX 31-106  46'10 3/4" overall length 3118 cu.ft.  80,000 lb.capy   CABX 107-126 46'10 3/4" overall length 3118 cu.ft. 100,000 lb.capy   CABX 127-146 46'10 3/4" overall length 3114 cu.ft. 118,000 lb.capy   CABX 147-176 46'10 3/4" overall length 3630 cu.ft. 100,000 lb.capy                                per 1954 _Eqpt Reg_    decal- Walthers HO #1336-    Cabot Spheron    CABX 21  blt Nov33,  series appears to be extant 1956scale drawing _Mainline Modeler_ May93 p.44 photo p.46note: Cabot home points in Texas: Big Spring, Elfco, Kingsmill, Magwalt, Pampa, Wiskett    CABX 127 blt 1949 photo _Mainline Modeler_ May93 p.46 COLUMBIAN CARBONColumbian Carbon LOs, 200 series  _Trains_ May 75 p.22 CCX 301    Columbian Chemical Co/ "a subsidiary of Phelps Dodge"71 _Reg_ lists Cities Service Company/Columbian DivisionCCX 288-307  LO length 45'10 1/2" inside  Capy 4000 sq feet 110,000 pounds       pix from M.D. McCarter- looseColumbia Carbon Co. (Note car is painted “Columbian” in photo)  CCX 304  3-compartment covered hopper with round roof matches, butterfly outlets for Carbon black service. blt 1947  CCX 288-307American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.252 CLTX 109    Columbian Carbon Co./Binney & Smith 3-bay 47' LO54 _Reg_ lists Coltexo Corp. CLTX 101-115, length 45'10 1/2"Capy 3000 sq.ft.  80,000 pounds    gone by 71homepoint: Columbian Carbon Co. , Youens,TX (5 mi east Conroe)        pix HO model in Overland ad _RailModJournal_ Aug95 p.72    CLTX 104 "Micronex Beads" blt 1934end view _Mainline Modeler_ May93 p.46, side & roof views p.47CLTX 107 3000 cu.ft. 3-compartment covered hopper with round roof matches, butterfly outlets for Carbon black service. blt 1936  CLTX 106-110.American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.249 CONTINENTAL BLACKS INC.  LO   CBIX 1501-1515 45'11" inside length 3400 cu.ft. 100,000 lb.capy                                per 1954 _Eqpt Reg_ CONTINENTAL CARBON CO.  LO   CCCX 1301-1306 45'11"inside length     3000 cu.ft.  80,000 lb.capy   CCCX 1307-1322 45'10"inside length     3000 cu.ft.  80,000 lb.capy   CCCX 1323-1330 45'10 1/2"inside length 3000 cu.ft.  80,000 lb.capy   CCCX 1331-1340 45'10 7/8"inside length 3000 cu.ft. 100,000 lb.capy   CCCX 1401-1415 45'11"inside length     3400 cu.ft. 100,000 lb.capy                                per 1954 Eqpt Reg     GACX 40116  3000 cu.ft. 80,000 lb.capy blt 1938 Genl.Amer.Transp.    pix Train Shed Cyclopedia #5  p.299     (note: this # in 54 Reg. is a much smaller 1321 cuft. LO)    Continental Carbon Co, Ho model by Rail shop inc.             Model Railroader Feb 07 p.14  SID RICHARDSON CARBON CO.   LOs   SRCX 100-124 45'10"inside length 3000 cu.ft. 100,000 lb.capy                                per 1954 _Eqpt Reg_ UNION CARBON CO.   UCBX 131  3-bay covered hopper for carbon black. PS.1954 EqpReg lists #51-150.  Home is Borger, Dixie, Houston, Kosmos,TX et al.   Lettering appears Roman.small pix in article preview _Mainline Modeler_ Apr93 p.80   UCBX 133, photo as rblt 1966 _Mainline Modeler_ May93 p.48   UCBX 51-150  45'10 1/2"inside length  3000 cu.ft.  80,000 lb.capy   UCBX 151-170 45'10 1/2"inside length  3000 cu.ft. 100,000 lb.capy                                per 1954 _Eqpt Reg_United Carbon Co. UCBX 126 3-compartment covered hopper with round roof matches, butterfly outlets for Carbon black service. blt 1941  UCBX 121-130American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.249  WITCO CHEMICAL CO.   LOs    WITX 502 Witco-Continental, blt 1940, came to WITCO in 1948 from CCCX, some previously may have been SHPX. Homepoints: Pennsylvania and Chicagophoto _Mainline Modeler_ May93 p.49   WITX 500-507 45'10 1/2"inside length 3000 cu.ft.  80,000 lb.capy   WITX 508-517 45'10 1/2"inside length 3000 cu.ft. 100,000 lb.capy                                per 1954 _Eqpt Reg_    
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Posted by tomikawaTT on Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:22 PM

The Cabot carbon black hopper was the subject of an Eric Stevens 'Dollar Car' article in MRR in the '50s.  It wasn't a difficult scratchbuild, if you'd like a challenge.

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Posted by dehusman on Tuesday, November 15, 2016 9:50 AM

Some of the first uses for covered hoppers were carbon black.  They are specialized so are not very common outside of their specific routes.  Unless you have a carbon black plant or a tire plant on your layout, you would probably never see one.

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Posted by ACY Tom on Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:36 PM

Carbon Black is usually thought of as the stuff that makes your tires black. I understand it also helps to give strength to the finished rubber. It is also used in paints and inks, and it probably has other industrial uses. 

Scale Trains has announced Carbon Black cars for near-term release, but they are all too modern for your 1950's era operation. Overland Models imported brass models of the 47' Carbon Black cars, appropriate to the 1933-1970's period. Rail Shop, Inc. produced the same car in a plastic kit, and F&C produced them in resin. I know modelers who just use any black covered hopper and call it a Carbon Black car, but that's not accurate. There was also a wood & cardstock & metal kit in the 1950's. I don't know the manufacturer, but I have one in the Continental Dustless scheme. Mine has up-to-date trucks and couplers, but it's otherwise pretty primitive. I keep it around as a curiosity. I understand Carbon Black has also been packed in bags and shipped in boxcars, but I don't know anything about that. 

A rubber plant would also receive ammonia and liquid latex in tank cars. Latex in solid form might arrive in boxcars. During your era, the big tire plants in Akron usually shipped out finished tires in wood-lined boxcars before they had a chance to cool. It has been said that the warm tires would discolor if they came in contact with steel. That's one reason the AC&Y had so many single sheath boxcars. In that era, they were typically hand-loaded and stacked in an interlocking "herringbone" pattern to maximize the space. 

I know the subject was covered in some detail by one of the magazines, but can't remember where I read it. Maybe Railmodel Journal, or maybe one of the back issues of the AC&Y Historical Society News. Information has been published on the companies that produced Carbon Black. It is a byproduct of petroleum, and typically comes from refineries. Most of the production in your time period was centered around Texas, Oklahoma, and the Gulf Coast, but Carbon Black was also produced in such areas as Charleston, WV. 

A Carbon Black spill is horrible. The stuff is a solid, but the granules are so fine and slippery that they flow like a liquid. It's almost impossible to do much good with a shovel. 

With all due respect to Dave, your railroad doesn't need to have a tire plant or a refinery in order to justify a Carbon Black car. It only needs to be somewhere between those two industries. There's a lot of track between the refineries of the Gulf Coast and the tire plants of Akron, Dayton, and Eau Claire.

Tom

Edit: The Fall, 2012 issue of the AC&YHS News Magazine had extensive coverage of Carbon Black as a commodity shipped on the Akron Canton & Youngstown Railroad, to serve the rubber plants in Akron. 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:02 AM

When Swan Hose had a Banbury department they received carbon black in covered hoppers and it was not unusual to see six or seven coveredhoppers waiting to be unloaded.Later Dayco/Swan decided it would be cheaper to buy rubber then to make it in house.Swan made automotive and rubber and plastic garden hose.

Sadly the new owners closed this plant around eight years ago.

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Posted by ACY Fan on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:14 AM

Omaha Road Man

As some of you may know from my previous posts I will be modeling the US Rubber tire plant in Eau Claire, Wisconsin on my future layout circa 1950.  Through my research I've determined the plant recieved carbon black shipments in covered hoppers.  I've found some pictures of these online; all black and lettered for the company that produces the carbon.

My question is this: how many companies produced carbon black?  Did they all have their own hoppers, were they all painted black?  Was carbon black ever shipped in regular (ie lettered for the home road) hoppers?

 

Omaha Road Man

As some of you may know from my previous posts I will be modeling the US Rubber tire plant in Eau Claire, Wisconsin on my future layout circa 1950.  Through my research I've determined the plant recieved carbon black shipments in covered hoppers.  I've found some pictures of these online; all black and lettered for the company that produces the carbon.

My question is this: how many companies produced carbon black?  Did they all have their own hoppers, were they all painted black?  Was carbon black ever shipped in regular (ie lettered for the home road) hoppers?

 

Believe prior posts answer your key questions on rail equipment used by carbon black producers.  The AC&Y (Akron, Canton and Youngstown) RR served the Akron, Ohio rubber shops and handled a high volume of carbon black rail shipments.  The AC&Y Historical Society has shipment documentation dating to 1944.  Most Carbon Black producers were located in Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana.  Not all shipments moved in specialized covered hoppers (leased or owned by producers). Significant volumes moved bagged in boxcars (usually older assigned cars due to the nature of the commodity).  Would say for certain that the 3000 cuf, 40-ton private cars offered by Rail Shop and F&C would be appropriate for your circa 1950 timeframe.  And, yes they were all black.           

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