ross31r wrote: I was thinking that I will stick with the Titchy cars for now, maybe try and find the GN cras at a later date (I think that they are made by Westerfield, but i cant find the relevant MR article to check).
I was thinking that I will stick with the Titchy cars for now, maybe try and find the GN cras at a later date (I think that they are made by Westerfield, but i cant find the relevant MR article to check).
I'm pretty sure they were Westerfield, but I don't think they've been in production for a while - couldn't find them in the Walthers catalog online. The cars came in pairs and were kinda pricey IIRC.
As for the Decapod, i will change the tender to the standard vanderbuilt that my line uses and maybe think about adding a few more details such as a PRR M1a style big airtank on the pilot deck, a second air pump, different pilot board and maybe change the stack for a shorter larger diameter stck or chanllenger style twin stck i havent decided yet.
I know the Great Northern used some wood ore cars during the increase in production during 1933, I assume that was about the last time they were used.
The Walthers cars are models of "Minnesota cars" used on the Mesabi, Vermillion and Cuyuna ranges in MN, by GN, NP, Soo and DMIR. I've found their trucks to be poor runners, I ended up replacing the trucks with Life-Like ones and using Kadee shim-washers on the bolster to allow a little more room so the wheels don't scrape on the car bottom.
The MDC cars are based on Upper Michigan ore cars used by CNW and Milwaukee, the rectangular car I know is pretty much a dead ringer for the Milwaukee cars. The Upper Michigan cars are a little narrow and a little taller than the Minnesota cars, both in the prototype and models.
The IHC cars look to me to be out of scale, a little too big - I wonder if they aren't OO scale??
Model Power and Walthers currently make ore cars that are from an era between the Tichy and the G39s.
http://modelpower.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=54
http://modelpower.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=103
MP offers them in three packs or singularly.
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-4560
Walthers are available in 4 packs and 12 packs.
Surprisingly, the Wathers cars are considerably cheaper than the Model Power ones.
IHC makes similar cars but their website says they're currently unavailable.
MDC/Roundhouse has similar cars that you can find on ebay. The taper side cars are models of C&NW cars built in the '20's and '30's, and also similar to the first Lake Superior & Ishpeming.
The rectangular sided cars are models of Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range cars.
ross31r wrote:Can anyone suggest a more suitable Ore jimmy than a G39 for the laste 30s then? I am assuming the Tithcy cars operated into the 30s but would be getting very old and tired at this point. I was thinking of maybe changing to the GN ore cars as operated on the dam project by the YV but im not sure who makes these and or if these would be suitable for my time period.
Can anyone suggest a more suitable Ore jimmy than a G39 for the laste 30s then? I am assuming the Tithcy cars operated into the 30s but would be getting very old and tired at this point. I was thinking of maybe changing to the GN ore cars as operated on the dam project by the YV but im not sure who makes these and or if these would be suitable for my time period.
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As for why I am using a Russian decapod - the ESRR is suposedly a lightly built line in the New England area with a mega-parent (the PRR) so it was able to aquire two new Russians to replace its time expired 2-8-0s which had been with the line since opening in the 1890s.
Im doing a bit more "freelancing" with the engines to suggest that the Pennsy at some point took the locomotives into the shops for overhauling and they emerged with higher boiler pressure, dual air pumps (after all they operated heavy trains that needed a lot of braking power) and possibly a different stack arrangement as a result of modernisation.
ross31s wrote:The combine is going to be used to haul mine workers at the start / end of shifts - otherwise in using the caboose conversion of the full baggage car. And im not hauling dilithium, its trilithium, which just hapens to be a rusty iron ore colour. Mines a small mining concern with the loaded trains running downhill andway (bar the breif grade just out of the sorting yard) so i am assuming i could probably get away with slightly heavier trains by fitting another brake pump to the Decapod or using my Baldwin 4-6-0 as a pilot.
If it's iron ore operations you're modelling, you'll need to re-think a number of things.
For one thing, miners in ore country lived near the mines. Here in Minnesota those sites were called "locations", unincorporated small villages built right next to the mine. Miners walked to work, they didn't ride in a combine or coach behind an ore train. Remember the mainline railroads were a separate company from the mining company, although both might have the same parent co. like United States Steel. The Roundhouse three window caboose or side-door caboose are fairly close to Missabe cabooses and would be a good choice.
The 2-10-0's built in the US for the Russian Imperial Rys. (and which were not allowed to be shipped by Pres. Wilson after the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917) were generally grabbed up by railroads like the Minneapolis Northfield and Southern that had lightweight track and needed the weight of the engine spread out over 10 driving wheels. By that time, iron ore haulers like the Duluth Missabe and Northern, Duluth and Iron Range and Great Northern were using big 2-10-2's, 2-8-8-2's and other mallets on mainline ore trains. (Soo Line did use a 2-10-0 for moving ore up and down the ore docks, both in MN and Wisconsin.) 4-6-0's had been used on ore trains in the 1880's-90's but were replaced by 2-8-0's and 2-8-2's and mallets. A 2-10-0 might have been used on a "mine run", a train of 30-40 ore cars running between a marshalling yard and a local mine's yard.
Ore trains ran both up and down hill!! Yes on the Missabe ore trains from Proctor yards had to run downhill to get to the ore docks in Duluth; but on other railroads the trip to the ore dock was uphill. Plus on the ore cars in Proctor yard had come their via a roller-coaster up and down mainline...it wasn't unusual for the engine and front cars to be going downhill, while the middle of the ore train was going uphill, and the caboose and rear of the train going uphill!!
There were instances of railroads using a helper engine for part of an ore train's trip (NP for example had a steep grade getting out of Duluth/Superior) but generally ore trains ran with one engine. If they needed to doublehead, they'd usually end up buying a bigger engine that could do it by itself.
You might want to consider modelling an ore company railroad, like Hanna Mining etc. Running shorter cuts of cars down a pit or up to the loading area of an underground mine. Sometimes these roads loaded cars directly into the mainline railroad's car, other times they loaded the raw ore into side-dump cars that would dump the ore into a beneficiator - an ore cleaner - which would then load the processed ore into the mainline ore jennies. Up until the taconite era, the mainline (DM&IR, GN) railroads never ran trains directly to the mine pits.
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ross31s wrote:The decapod is also "preseved power" over the other line, the Valiant Bay Terminal Company where is runs around with a rake of six G39s.
The "G39" is a mid 60's design that was also used by the SP.
So they would have been built 5-10 years after the last steamer operated on the Pennsy and probably 10-15 years after the last 2-6-6- or Russian 2-10-0 operated on a class 1. Lets put it this way if you want to run G39's you could also operate 86' hi-cube auto parts cars or 57 ft mechanical reefers, because they were contemporary cars.
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ross31s wrote:Would one of these Russian Decapod type of engine survived for long enough to haul G39s and what roads other that the PRR/PC had these hoppers?
A local shortline had 10 Decapods, I believe 3 or 4 were Russians, the rest were virtually identical. The last one was retired in 1959-1960, depending on which historical reference you trust. They ran several more years in excursion service.
The line was the Gainesville Midland, if you care to look it up. Still in operation today, under the ownership of CSX.
IIRC, according to my sources, they had a tonnage rating of 4000 tons on reasonably flat track, a top speed of 55 MPH. The boiler held 22,000 gallons of water, and the tender held 18,000 gallons of water, and 9 tons of coal (so I'm told).
Brad
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QUOTE: Originally posted by ross31s whats the address for Fallen Flags then?
QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman Ore went up hill too. The LV and Pennsy ran one to Bethlehem with pooled power, Pennsy 2-10-0's and LV 2-10-2's. The Russian Dec had about 51-52,000 lbs tractive effort, about the same as a heavy 2-8-0. The Reading rated an engine with a similar tractive effort (the I-8sc 2-8-0) on a 1.1% grade at 1100 tons. With a 2% grade it would be about half or 600-700 tons. A car probably weighs about 80 tons (50 tons load plus 30 tons car) so on a 2% grade a real decapod could handle 6-9 cars. Dave H.
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