John Armstrong had one layout design, fitted to one stall of a two-car garage, meant to be modeled in On3. I can't recall which of his layout books it was in, and my own copies seem to have gone AWOL.
Perhaps someone else will be able to narrow the search further.
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
Well, I know for certain it is in Kalmbach's 101 Track Plans. It is elsewhere, but I stopped looking after I'd found it. Nevertheless, I don't know how close the plan accurately portrays the trackage...OK, OK, I'll look some more.... Sheesh. even my copy of Cy Martin's Gold Rush Narrow Gauge doesn't include any track diagrams. I do believe, however, that previous to the along-the-vertical-cliff-ship terminal that exists now is relatively new and that the old dock terminal was further out in the bay/sound/fyord.
Mark
Regardless, this photo shows the along-the-cliff dock where the trains take aboard Alaskan cruisers.
Cruise ships berth behind the above photographer.
An arched roof. Isn't that from Sumpter Valley?
You might try posing this question at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whitepassfanlist/ and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOn3/. The 1st group is devoted to the WP&Y but I don't know how much historical info is available - I'm not a member of the group. The second group is all things 3ft gauge in HO of which the WP&Y is a prime example. There are narrow gauge historians who know the origin of nearly every car and loco on the WP&Y.
During my tours in Alaska, I have ridden the WP&Y twice, and driven the road a couple of times as well. I also got an opportunity to walk the old roadbed in Whitehorse along the waterfront. I know that the trackage in Skagway was changed considerably when the town became a National Park and a cruise ship destination. Originally, nearly all the track was on the west side of the river (in town), but was later moved to the east side. I also heard a business presentation in about 1995 on re-opening the WP&Y as a freight operation all the way to Whitehorse and possibly extending to serve some mines in YT. That was when metals prices were climbing, and the railroad seemed like a more economical transport to an international harbor than trucking ore over the road.
Micro-Trains made some very nice RTR models of reefers that the WP&Y purchased from the C&S. Much of the WP&Y locomotive roster has been done in HOn3 brass at one time or another, including the shovel nose diesels.
hope this helps
Fred W
John Armstrong's plan also appears in The Classic Layout Designs of John Armstrong with more of a writeup than 101 Track Plans - I think it's a reprint of the original article in MR with a sidebar commentary. Mid-Size Track Plans for Realistic Layouts by Bernard Kempinskihas a G scale plan.
Railmaster Hobbies http://www.railmasterhobbies.com/loco.htm has Sn3 kits.
Enjoy
Paul
I've read in several references that the Sanborn Fire Insurance maps are a good resource for the type of information you seek. I Googled the subject and came up with the following reference: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/sanbul_AK.html (scroll down to Skagway)
It looks like the Alaska State Library has a 6 page selection of Sanborn maps dating from 1914, and University of California, Berkeley has a revision from 1948. I don't know what's involved with obtaining copies, but that'll give you something to do.
IRONROOSTER Mid-Size Track Plans for Realistic Layouts by Bernard Kempinskihas a G scale plan.
Mid-Size Track Plans for Realistic Layouts by Bernard Kempinskihas a G scale plan.
as well as Armstrong's original On3 plan.
Greetings all
I have a set of photos taken in July 1970 which may help. At that time there was a Y at Scagway with I think 3 tracks on the wharf. The Frank L Brown was docked at the time. At Whitehorse there was a passing siding and a siding at the station and the track ran north to the reversing loop.. Let me know if I can help.
I now have a request. A source of drawings for WP&Y stock, and supply in HOn3
Thanks
David Elliott
Victoria BC
Gidday David, to the forum.
Here's some links that you may not be aware of that may help....................................
http://narrowmind.railfan.net/index.html#wpy
http://www.whitepassfan.net/whitepass/fan-list/drawings/index.html
Cheers, the Bear.
"One difference between pessimists and optimists is that while pessimists are more often right, optimists have far more fun."
Portion USGS Map Skagway B! dated 1951, Imprint 1952 from
skagway_zps96b72b26 by Donald Schmitt, on Flickr
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
This railway was featured in a kids show, Mighty Machines: Riding the Mountain Rails. It's about a 40 minute documentary type video designed for young kids. But...it has some really good full color video of train operations, scenery, equipment etc. Worth the watch in my humble opinion (Netflix has Mighty Machines for those who subscribe). My young Son loves the Mighty Machines videos so I have seen them all more times then I can count. As an aside, Mighty Machines also has a show called At the Train Yard and it follows a CP SD40-2 and a couple switchers around a train yard, with a track repair crew and one or two CN loco's thrown in for good measure. I like watching it with my Son too....
Happy modeling!
Don.
"Ladies and gentlemen, I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that both engines have failed, and we will be stuck here for some time. The good news is that you decided to take the train and not fly."
Some books:
The White Pass Route Railway by Graham Wilson
White Pass Gateway to the Klondike by Roy Minter
Gold Rush Narrow Gauge by Cy Martin
Rails North Railroads of Alaska and Yukon by Howard Clifford
White Pass Plans by Railhead Publications
White Pass & Yukon Handbook by C. E, Mulvihill
Alaska Yukon Railroads by Howard Clifford.
The Skagway Story by Howard Clifford
Original John Armstrong plan: MR, March, 1953, p. 44.
Martin