Train orders at passenger terminals

[CPD95]

Thanks for the replys!!

Dale.

[dehusman]

wjstix

So I would assume your railroad would have people there and if you needed a Form 19 re an unscheduled meet you would get it there.

It was very common to have one operator who was qualified on several railroad's rules and would copy orders for several railroads.  So the train would get a clearance/orders (if any) for the railroad they were operating on out of the station and a clearance/orders (if any) for their home road.

[Sperandeo]

The way Jim described the process is what I saw at New Orleans Union Passenger Terminal. Typically there the conductor went to the office in the station and picked up two sets of clearance cards with orders and messages, if any. Then he walked out to the head end of his train and gave one set to the engineer. If there was anything requiring discussion or coordination between conductor and engineer, that's when it happened. The trains ran under interlocking rules on NOUPT tracks under control of the Clara Street Tower operator out to Carrolton Station, and there diverged onto separate lines (including some which were still joint tracks used by two or more roads). Merry Christmas, Andy

[wjstix]

Well unless the train was a Santa Fe train, Dearborn station would be your home rails - sort of. IIRC Dearborn and the C&WI were both co-owned by all the railroads that used Dearborn except for Santa Fe (which might be why ATSF did their own switching instead of using C&WI??). So I would assume your railroad would have people there and if you needed a Form 19 re an unscheduled meet you would get it there. I remember reading a story that mentioned in the sixties that Northern Pacific had employees both at St.Paul Union Depot and at the Great Northern Station in Minneapolis, I assume it would be the same anyplace several railroads shared a depot.

[jrbernier]

  Most large passenger terminals had employees who where qualified(passed each railroad's rules exam) to copy train orders.  Usually the 'clearance' would be issued to the C&E(Engineeer & Conductor) at the initial terminal and an 'Slow orders, etc..'.  will be added.  Meet orders could be added at the intitial terminal, or further down the line.  I would suspect that a 1st class passenger train would have scheduled meets or 2nd/3rd class trains would be clearing the 1st class trains schedule by 10 minutes.  Things would really have to be unusual for for a 1st class train to get 'meet orders'. 

  I worked as a fireman for the CB&Q in the late 60's, and the few times I called called for a passenger run we picked up the 'clearance card' from the operator and left at the scheduled time.  Since the first 20 miles was joint Milw/CB&Q trackage, we picked up both a Milw & CB&Q clearance card.  The remaining 110 miles was on 'home' trackage and was basically all double track ABS.  Most any train order was to run 'wrong main' around a work area.

Jim

[dehusman]

CPD95

A. An order (19) telling you who you will meet once you reach your home rails?

B. Just a clearance card since you are a scheduled train?

C. Nothing since you are a scheduled train, but once on your own rails would get meet orders from the first operator/train order station on your railroad?

1.  Maybe.  If the dispatcher has any meets lined up, otherwise you use your schedule.  If you are  asking, will you recieve orders for your home road at your originating station, the answer is yes.

2.  Maybe.  If you have no orders then you will just recieve a clearance.  If you are asking does a train operating out of a union terminal recieve a clearance, the answer is yes.

3.  No. 

[markpierce]

You could be better off if you asked this question at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/messages

Mark

[CPD95]

Ok, weird question. You are the engineer of a passenger train( ATSF,CEI,WAB,GT,MON,EL)  at Dearborn station in Chicago. It's time to leave, do you get:

A. An order (19) telling you who you will meet once you reach your home rails?

B. Just a clearance card since you are a scheduled train?

C. Nothing since you are a scheduled train, but once on your own rails would get meet orders from the first operator/train order station on your railroad?

And if you did get an order, would it be one from your own railraod or a Chicago & Western Indiana order/clearance card since you're on their rails?

Thanks, Dale.