Mark,
I'm sure it will be more fun than the totally freelanced layout I was planning. I'll need to do some redesign of my track plan to better fit certain locations. Another fact I learned since my last posting is that the Pacific Electric had a line connecting Long Beach and Newport Beach along the coast -- right down the route I'd like to use. Since the PE abandoned this line in the '50s, why not assume that the fictitiously surviving Santa Ana & Newport purchased the line for a connection to the Huntington Beach oil fields? The other plus to using an actual location is that roads have purpose.
Chris
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Sounds like fun! I'm sure at least some of us would appreciate you sharing the track plan you adopt.
Mark
Thank you all for your great referrals and ideas! Byron's short line is pretty close to what I wanted to do. I hadn't really settled on any specific area of California although the double level shelf layout I'm planning pretty much ruled out mountain railroading. An agricultural valley would allow relatively level track. I had an idea to model the area where I grew up and Jack's link to current BNSF track maps sealed the deal. I grew up in Huntington Beach, most of which lies in the alluvial plain of the Santa Ana River. I remember a spur line of the Southern Pacific running all the way to the beach at Lake Street as late as the '70s. Since Huntington Beach was an oil boomtown and oil was still the area's greatest asset in the late '50s, I had one major industry to model at a somewhat believable interchange point.
I have always been fascinated by the huge blimp hangars still standing at the former Tustin military base. I figured these hangars would make great background structures, plus the military base could be another industry. The fact that BNSF still owns spur tracks near this base meant I had another interchange point. In between my two fictitious interchange points were about 10 miles of agricultural land (now all housing) although I could not find any reasonable excuse to locate a railroad straight across this valley. Further research uncovered a little known short line called the Santa Ana and Newport that ran from Santa Ana down to McFadden Wharf in Newport Beach along what is now the SR 55 Freeway and Newport Blvd. This line was bought out by the Southern Pacific only a few years after it opened and the line was abandoned soon after when a freak storm did significant damage to the coastal areas. However, had this line remained independent and survived at least into the fifties, it could easily have added a line from Newport Beach up the coast to the Huntington Beach oil fields. Thus, that is exactly what I intend to assume. Additional 1950's era industries can include general agriculture, citrus, fresh seafood, beef cattle (from Irvine Ranch), a newly built electrical power plant, lumber and other materials for general construction, and tourism.
The minimal grades needed to accurately model the area should not prove problematic and additional historical research about the area in which I grew up should be interesting and fun. Though you guys may not think you did much, you prodded me in just the right direction to get my fictitious short line off the ground. Thanks again.
As others have mentioned, the SP/ATSF jointly-owned Sunset Railway in the Bakersfield area is an example of a shortline that connected to both, although it was operated by each of the parent railroads in alternating 5-year shifts into the 1990s.At one time, I was planning a proto-freelanced extension between the Bakersfield area (SP &ATSF) and the SP Coast Line near Pismo Beach and on to Avila. The route would have generally followed CA Highway 166 from the Sunset Railway near Maricopa to the coast. This line was actually proposed in real life in the early 20th century as the "Midland Pacific" and some roadbed was graded, but nothing ever came of it.An article I wrote on the N scale layout design project and the imagineered prototype was published in the Layout Design SIG's Layout Design Journal #35, December 2006. The imagined map from that article is shown below.
In the center of the state, the Central California Traction (owned by the SP/ATSF/WP in the 50s) and the Sierra Railroad (whose freight operations are now called the Sierra Northern) are interesting candidates. The fine recent book on the CCT has been mentioned earlier and there was an article on a John Armstrong design for the Sierra in Model Railroader, May 2004. Another Central Valley shortline is the Modesto and Empire Traction, which sits astride the former SP and ATSF and was covered in an excellent two-article series by Trevor Marshall in the October and November 2007 issues of Railroad Model Craftsman. In the northern part of the state, the Northwestern Pacific was jointly ATSF/SP owned, then later SP only. In the major metro areas, a large number of terminal lines connected to both the SP and ATSF, so there's probably a real-life example somewhere of something close to what you'd like to do. So what did you have in mind?ByronModel RR Blog
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There's a book called "Railroad Maps, the West". It might be useful. There's a copy on Amazon.
Ed
Go to the BNSF website (http://www.bnsf.com/tools/reference/division_maps/div_ca.pdf) for a modern system map of the BNSF in southern california, which for California is a good first appoximation for the Santa Fe, especially in SoCal. Any of Signor's books would help with the SP once you have a specific area in mind.
However, you're sort of pushing a wet noodle, so to speak, since any likely interchange between the two would have been at Tehachapi (joint use track) or in San Bernadino/Colton area. However, a good possibility would be a theoretical shortline from Lancanster/Palmdale to Cajon area if you date it prior to when SP actually constructed it. Or, look into the SJVR in the central valley as it could be a good approximate prototype.
Jack W