Hi, I´m Christian from Germany,
which railroad with a E8 or E9 (with flashing headlight and mars-light)meets the NYC ?Maybe in buffalo?
Thanks forward!
Bill
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig"
Well the Canadian Pacific had I believe 2 E units that worked in Quebec for the most part. Otherwise they loved them FP's for passenger trains. Same for CN, not sure if CN had any E's.
BTW Christian I assume this is something you saw in a video or something?? Could it just be another NYC train - they did have E-units unless I'm wrong. Neighbor Pennsy had 'em.
ndbprr wrote:There weren't many eastern roads with E units. They were designed for flat land running and F units were used primarily where there were hills involved. Since most of that area was hilly or mountains they weren't the engine of choice. Maybe across the lake in Ontario however...
There weren't?
NYC, PRR, B&M, MEC, C&O, B&O, D&LW, Erie, and BAR all owned E units. Of those, all but NYC and BAR operated them in hilly territory.
Andre
Andre is correct.
Regarding NYC, the B&A subsidiary, which had grades up to 1.67%, operated E-units regularly as well.
wjstix wrote: Well the Canadian Pacific had I believe 2 E units that worked in Quebec for the most part. Otherwise they loved them FP's for passenger trains. Same for CN, not sure if CN had any E's.BTW Christian I assume this is something you saw in a video or something?? Could it just be another NYC train - they did have E-units unless I'm wrong. Neighbor Pennsy had 'em.
yup CP only had three E8's , they were only bought for pool train service with the B&M and were used originally from Montreal to Brownsville JCT on their International of Maine division. After the pool trains ended they were used in Montreal commuter service and were eventually sold to VIA which didn't operate them long. CN never bought any E's but used FPA's from MLW and FP's from GMD.
Christian I wonder if indeed it was a D&lW or just another NYC train.Are you sure it was another E unit It may have been some passenger FP's or PA's
Rob
Someone's been selling you a bill of goods. All A-1-A trucked passenger locomotives are going to have problems with grades because the unpowered axles reduce their tractive effort. PAs aren't going to be much better than E units or anyone elses A-1-As. When it comes to passenger units, railroads would use them on any route. If they had problems with a grade they'd use helper service or if the route was a long section with stiff grades they'd just throw another locomotive onto the locomotive consist. SP rostered E-7, 8 and 9s as well as PAs. Also, FP-7s and assorted other dual purpose B-B and C-C units.
ndbprr wrote:I can only speak about the PRR but they only had one serious grade and that was up horseshoe curve to Galitzen where helpers were used. The rest was flat. E units according to Klambach in their article on E units some years back stated they are notoriously poor hill climbers. They were designed for flat land running. That's why ATSF had F units. SP used PA's because they were much better at hill climbing. Most of the E units on the PRR stayed predominantly in the west with some minor exceptions. The other roads did have them but I would be willing to bet they were not in abundance and if they were they were used on fairly flat routes.
ndbprr wrote:I can only speak about the PRR but they only had one serious grade and that was up horseshoe curve to Galitzen where helpers were used. The rest was flat.
Koff koff hak wheeze ... May I remind you of 5.8% slope Madison Hill, Madison IN?